(Edited) Rivera is only under contract through next year

[hepcat]

I'll add this to hopefully make it worth discussing...

Can you see a Lovie Smith scenario where Rivera makes the playoffs but still winds up fired?

 

Ah Mr. Scot, a little off your game today.  Lovie Smith's Bears finished 10-6 last year but they did NOT qualify for the playoffs.  

 

If Rivera finishes 10-6 with the Panthers and they don't make the playoffs I see that as a much different scenario than Lovie Smith in Chicago last year.  The Bears started 7-1 and finished 10-6.  They have been a perennial contender.  The Panthers would have started 4-3 and finished 10-6.  They'd started 2-8 the previous two years.  Big difference.  If they finish with a winning record I think he stays.  

[Cyberjag]

Why would we have to extend him? Letting him work out the remainder of his contract is not a lame duck situation. If anything, he would be still be trying to earn an extension.

 

If Rivera was going in to the last year of his contract, effectively every coordinator and position coach on the roster would be as well.  And every one of them would be looking for something with a little more security this off-season.

[UNCrules2187]

I'll add this to hopefully make it worth discussing...

Can you see a Lovie Smith scenario where Rivera makes the playoffs but still winds up fired?

 

*Makes* the playoffs, or goes 10-6 but misses out?

 

In either case, I say no.  Remember, this team is 3 years removed from 2-14 with a bottom 5 defense and one of the worst offenses of all time, and hasn't had a winning season in 5 years.  To make the playoffs, or hell even finish 10-6 and miss out, is a huge accomplishment.  Firing Rivera and staff at that point would be the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[teeray]

I don't think we get to 10-6 with our remaining schedule. If we do that will be an achievement for Rivera even if we miss the playoffs.

I see 8-8 or 9-7 more likely, in which case I think he may go.

The month of November will likely decide his fate.

I just think it is too early to know what to do with Ron and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

[Mr. Scot]

Ah Mr. Scot, a little off your game today. Lovie Smith's Bears finished 10-6 last year but they did NOT qualify for the playoffs.

I give up. I'm quitting till tomorrow :lol:

[Fan01]

I would not give Rivera an extension until the end of his contract.  I'd tell him I love the way the team is heading. I took a chance and kept you on, even though I was getting a new GM, when everyone said fire you.  So do the same with me, wait on a contract extension and show me this year is the beginning and not a last huray. 

 

If you did want to give an extension if we go into the playoffs this year I wouldn't go more than 2 years.  Maybe even just a 1 year extension so he's not in the last year of the contract next year.

 

 

[hepcat]

I give up. I'm quitting till tomorrow :lol:

 

Haha, everyone has those days.

[pantherclaw]

Not at this time.

[L-TownCat]

Ron Rivera's Check list of things to do:

 

Acquire Franchise QB.                                 Check

Get Marty Hurney Fired:                               Check

Draft well:                                                      meh, kinda Check (Late rounds still kinda suck)

Get offense back to respectability:                Check

Revitalize the Defense:                                  Check

End NFL leading non-winning record streak: Check

Get Panthers in the mix for a playoff spot:     Check

Get to the playoffs:                                        TBD

Get a winning record for the season:            TBD

 

The guy has actually done a lot for us.  Almost everything that could be done has been done, except for that whole winning thing.  I think he's starting to get it.  I was hella harsh on his horribad coaching in late game situations, but its hard to argue with wins.  Even harder when we are kicking teeth in.  I remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[Khaki Lackey]

For two reasons, future coaches don't want to work for and organization that doesn't take care of coaches that have success. Sure we would probably still be able to get some coordinator somewhere, but coaches will talk to Rivera and to each other about the Panthers.

Think about it like this, if a salesperson took over the worst territory in your company and made it a good territory, and then the boss fired him, if you had a stable territory already would you want to work under the boss and take the territory of a guy that just got fired despite growing the territory from the worst in the company? I think I would stay where I was with my current boss until a better opportunity arose.

Secondly, if a coach isn't getting security from his organization, he may be more worried about securing his next job, rather than doing his current job, wasting yet another year.

Do you think teams are beating Ron's door down with head coaching offers?

Is Ron dumb enough to quit as head coach to take a more secure DC job elsewhere?

As far as the sales analogy, Ron hasn't even gotten this territory to mediocre level yet.

If Ron quits after this season, because he doesn't get the extension that he doesn't deserve, damn near any available coach would love to take his job.

Hopeful we make the playoffs and we don't have to consider any of these scenarios.

[DeeJay]

Win super bowl 

[Jangler]

He can get 4 games over .500 this year, then with playoff wins? Yeah I could see keeping him around.

[teeray]

Do you think teams are beating Ron's door down with head coaching offers?

Is Ron dumb enough to quit as head coach to take a more secure DC job elsewhere?

As far as the sales analogy, Ron hasn't even gotten this territory to mediocre level yet.

If Ron quits after this season, because he doesn't get the extension that he doesn't deserve, damn near any available coach would love to take his job.

Hopeful we make the playoffs and we don't have to consider any of these scenarios.

 

 

Nobody said anything about Ron quitting.  He would coach out his contract.  But if he doesn't have compensation guaranteed at the end of that contract anyone would be worrying more about how he is going to get paid next.  Therefore, he is going to be concentrating more on employment somewhere than doing his current job.  John Fox's last year was more about him securing a future job as a head coach or DC than it was about the Carolina Panthers.  Why would you be committed to a franchise that wasn't committed to you? 

 

I was talking about if we go 9-7 or 10-6.  With our schedule, I would rank that as a bit higher than mediocre. 

 

No one said anything about quitting over an extension.  But if we won 10 games and we didn't extend him, than no, not every coach would want take his job.

 

Why would I want to coach at a place that fires a coach or doesn't commit to a coach that took a 2-14 team to a 10-6 team in just 3 years?

 

Sure some coordinator would take the job.  But we didn't extend Fox after 2008 (which is what caused the riff between he and JR), if we don't extend Rivera and we win 10 games, every coach will mention that the Panthers are cheap and don't take care of their coaches when they succeed when they talk to other coaches.  And I imagine that would make it much tougher to get the better coaches who would wait for a gig that had a better front office.

 

Maybe you think that is dumb, but that is the way it works in the coaching community.  They all talk, and when the Panthers start calling potential head coaches, those candidates are going to call John Fox and Ron Rivera first.

[KendrickPanther]

By the way...This Riverboat Ron persona is not universally a good thing. It's logical because of our personnel and efficiency in short yardage situations. We could lost a ton of games going for it on 4th if we weren't so damned good at it.

 

4 weeks ago the Panthers had already started the coaching search. There is no reason to extend him until he accomplishes something. There is a difference between lame duck and contract year. Everyone knew Fox was done, Rivera could still coach his ass off in a contract year.