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Cam Newton Our Franchise QB?

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Is Cam Newton Our Franchise QB?  

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  1. 1. Is Cam Newton Our Franchise QB?


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mav1234 Grand Master

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I'm not a fence sitter it is either a yes or no question.  Right now I wouldn't say Cam is a franchise QB. 

What exactly do you think a franchise QB is?  I think this discussion comes down to whether or not people think the Panthers should be actively pursuing an upgrade to QB.  Some people think franchise means top of the league, and I don't really agree with that.

 

I don't think franchise QB means you are among the top 5 QBs, but it means your team is building around you for the foreseeable future (that is, they are not seeking your immediate replacement - dudes getting older do cloud this a bit), which does imply the team thinks they can win with you.  That fits Cam pretty well, I think.

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What exactly do you think a franchise QB is?  I think this discussion comes down to whether or not people think the Panthers should be actively pursuing an upgrade to QB.  Some people think franchise means top of the league, and I don't really agree with that.

 

I don't think franchise QB means you are among the top 5 QBs, but it means your team is building around you for the foreseeable future (that is, they are not seeking your immediate replacement - dudes getting older do cloud this a bit), which does imply the team thinks they can win with you.  That fits Cam pretty well, I think.

 

 

A franchise QB is someone who makes the team better and helps the team win games.  So far Cam is not that.  Look at Luck without him the colts would be a terrible team.  Cam doesn't make the players around him better.

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A franchise QB is someone who makes the team better and helps the team win games.  So far Cam is not that.  Look at Luck without him the colts would be a terrible team.  Cam doesn't make the players around him better.

 

Compared to what, exactly?  Cam makes the team better than the vast majority of NFL QBs would.  I certainly think he has elevated the play of some players compared to previous Qbs they had - guys like Ginn, Smitty, and Olsen all have seen improvements with Cam over their last QB.

 

We have no idea how the Colts right now would be without Luck and with some other competent QB - just like we don't know how the Panthers would be.  We can look at how the players themselves did, and sure, Luck elevated guys - but so has Cam.

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A franchise QB is someone who makes the team better and helps the team win games.  So far Cam is not that.  Look at Luck without him the colts would be a terrible team.  Cam doesn't make the players around him better.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

The Colts built around Luck on offense through the draft immediately. This false assumption that the Colts were some poo team to begin with is absurd too. We've currently got zero drafted starters on offense since Cam was drafted in 2011. Make players better? Yeah, okay.

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Compared to what, exactly?  Cam makes the team better than the vast majority of NFL QBs would.  I certainly think he has elevated the play of some players compared to previous Qbs they had - guys like Ginn, Smitty, and Olsen all have seen improvements with Cam over their last QB.

 

We have no idea how the Colts right now would be without Luck and with some other competent QB - just like we don't know how the Panthers would be.  We can look at how the players themselves did, and sure, Luck elevated guys - but so has Cam.

 

 

Who has Cam elevated?

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Who has Cam elevated?

 

Ginn's finally looking like he can play, Olsen is having his most productive period ever, and Smitty got back to his old form once we had Cam.  You can claim none of that is on Cam if you want, but I think he's had a big role in each of those player's improvements.

 

Give Cam some more weapons to grow with and he'll continue to impress..

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Ginn's finally looking like he can play, Olsen is having his most productive period ever, and Smitty got back to his old form once we had Cam. You can claim none of that is on Cam if you want, but I think he's had a big role in each of those player's improvements.

Give Cam some more weapons to grow with and he'll continue to impress..

I'm probably one of the few who thinks 'weapons' aren't the primary issue. Granted, Smith needs a successor and I'm not thoroughly sold on LaFell, but other than that I think the skill positions are decent.

To me, it's the offensive line that most needs improvement.

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Cam's improved efficiency is helping the Panthers win games - true statement. But it's not all him.

 

Another reason the team is winning is because the team is playing better. The defense is one of the best in the league. Every RB doesn't have a career day on us. Every unit is making plays on that side of the ball, every week.

 

DWill is looking like a #1 again. Tolbert is one of the best short yardage backs in the league, right after Cam. And the special teams have stopped looking like complete poo, giving up returns at the worst possible times. Gano is actually looking fantastic. Rivera isn't playing scared anymore. He's playing to win and he's starting to realize he has some horses on this squad.

 

If the TEAM starts to revert back to its losing ways, the team will lose. Wins and losses are not on Cam alone. He is and always has been a dynamic football player. He's becoming a dynamic QB - in every aspect.

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I'm probably one of the few who thinks 'weapons' aren't the primary issue. Granted, Smith needs a successor and I'm not thoroughly sold on LaFell, but other than that I think the skill positions are decent.

To me, it's the offensive line that most needs improvement.

 

I would agree the OL is more pressing but my concerns are that we don't have anyone to step up to cover the ground Smith is slowly losing as he ages.

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