Blackmon available for trade? EDIT: blackmon suspended for season

[DaCityKats]

And it doesn't bother you that a team looking for a franchise QB thinks this guy wouldn't be a good weapon to keep around for that QB?

Also, do you think there are more stories of guys who turn their life around or guys who wash out?

Here's hoping Blackmon is one of the guys who succeeds. But I'm not about to invest a high draft pick on a 50-50 chance. Especially one whose GM is ready to give up on him this early in his career.

GMs don't give up on 'proven players'. They give up on damaged goods and hope some other GM is dumb enough to take them off their hands and give up a draft pick in return.

Most GMs aren't that gullible.

Some fans are though.

 

no, considering you would want to tank to put yourself in a better position to get that QB. teams will literally sale their left nut for a franchise QB, so wouldnt they let a WR go?plus you seem to not recognize that those respected team also have traded away their #3 pick from last year, and franchise LT.would they not help that QB as well?

 

guys turn their lives around all the time, i would like to hope and give somebody a chance before i make the assumption that he will be locked up.

 

GM's do give up on proven players, it happens all the time if it was the betterment of the team in the long run. another thing you fail to recognize is the current GMs have no connection to the players they already traded (Monroe, Richardson), and the players who are rumored to be on the block (Gordon, Blackmon).

 

most coaches and GMs believe that a special talent would be ideal and work in there system. they do their homework, and try to put that athlete in positions to be successful on and off the field. B)

[Toundra]

 

Not bad for a bust.

[Mr. Scot]

The biggest difference in potential compensation between say Boldin or Moss vs Blackmon is their respective ages.

As to how good Blackmon is compared to some of the others mentioned, I would remind you that Young was widely viewed as a bust when the deal went down. It's not like they knew they were getting a future HOFer. No one knows for sure what kind of career JB will have, just that he is a guy that has been productive when on the field.

However, none of that was really the point of my posts. You repeatedly stated that good GM's don't deal good players, only those with more baggage than they're worth. That is clearly false. It has happened too many times to count.

(Insert appropriate smiley face here).

No, no one knows, but they do know he's close to a one year suspension. When has that been true of Boldin?

GMs trade players that no longer have value for many reasons. Do some thrive elsewhere? Yes, but almost all the examples you're basing your arguments on weren't traded because they were on the edge of suspension.

So tell me, this guy with two strikes of whom 'no one knows what kind of career he will have', just how high a pick are you willing to give up for that?

[Mr. Scot]

no, considering you would want to tank to put yourself in a better position to get that QB. teams will literally sale their left nut for a franchise QB, so wouldnt they let a WR go?plus you seem to not recognize that those respected team also have traded away their #3 pick from last year, and franchise LT.would they not help that QB as well?

guys turn their lives around all the time, i would like to hope and give somebody a chance before i make the assumption that he will be locked up.

GM's do give up on proven players, it happens all the time if it was the betterment of the team in the long run. another thing you fail to recognize is the current GMs have no connection to the players they already traded (Monroe, Richardson), and the players who are rumored to be on the block (Gordon, Blackmon).

most coaches and GMs believe that a special talent would be ideal and work in there system. they do their homework, and try to put that athlete in positions to be successful on and off the field. B)

Teams don't tank seasons. The whole notion is stupid beyond belief.

As to Blackmon, I hope he does turn it around, but I'm not willing to gamble a high pick on a guy who "might" turn it around when he also might wind up gone for a year.

And if you wanna talk about past examples, Moss was traded for a 4th, Boldin for a 6th. Given that context, how on earth is Blackmon worth a pick in the first three rounds?

[mav1234]

Because Moss and Boldin were at completely different points in their careers, that's why.  Blackmon is a young, ultra-talented receiver that has been playing for absolute crap and still looks good.  

[Mr. Scot]

Because Moss and Boldin were at completely different points in their careers, that's why. Blackmon is a young, ultra-talented receiver that has been playing for absolute crap and still looks good.

And is one strike from a year's vacation.

Why do I give up a high draft pick for that when I could use it on a starting quality player out of the draft who doesn't have a sword hanging over his head?

If it weren't for that, maybe I could see it. But if it weren't for that, he wouldn't be up for trade, would he?

[mav1234]

And is one strike from a year's vacation.

Why do I give up a high draft pick for that when I could use it on a starting quality player out of the draft who doesn't have a sword hanging over his head?

If it weren't for that, maybe I could see it. But if it weren't for that, he wouldn't be up for trade, would he?

 

Because there is a very small chance you'll get a player of Blackmon's caliber for the draft pick you'd trade, and Blackmon would be an immediate help to the team, whereas a receiver we draft may not be.

[ECUPantherFan]

Let's just snag Nicks & Blackmon and call it a Super Bowl.

[Mr. Scot]

Because there is a very small chance you'll get a player of Blackmon's caliber for the draft pick you'd trade, and Blackmon would be an immediate help to the team, whereas a receiver we draft may not be.

We'll have to disagree on this, Mav. I don't think it's worth it. And at least so far, nobody else does either.

Unlike some others here, I respect your football knowledge. I disagree philosophically on this topic though.

[mav1234]

We'll have to disagree on this, Mav. I don't think it's worth it. And at least so far, nobody else does either.

Unlike some others here, I respect your football knowledge. I disagree philosophically on this topic though.

 

It's probably driven from my decade of frustration at our inability to develop legitimate receiving threats (I guess Smitty was developed in that period but nobody else really was...).. I think it's a risky thing to do, but I think that the payoff is potentially enormous.  I also understand why you and others wouldn't do it, and I don't think there's any problem with us just disagreeing.

 

As to why nobody else has done it?  Quite frankly, it's because this was a fake rumor.  Jax isn't going to trade this guy - he's one of their only good offensive weapons and they'll want someone for their next QB to throw to.  Though I am astonished they traded Monroe earlier in the year...

 

I doubt we see Blackmon moved because he is very, very good, even with really terrible players throwing him the ball, and Jacksonville will want some amount of playmaking ability.. He is one strike away but I think you can deal with that if you handle him correctly and if he knows what's at risk.

[DaCityKats]

Teams don't tank seasons. The whole notion is stupid beyond belief.

As to Blackmon, I hope he does turn it around, but I'm not willing to gamble a high pick on a guy who "might" turn it around when he also might wind up gone for a year.

And if you wanna talk about past examples, Moss was traded for a 4th, Boldin for a 6th. Given that context, how on earth is Blackmon worth a pick in the first three rounds?

so you honestly believed the Jags thought they had a chance to compete with Gabbert as their QB, while trading away their franchise LT as well? this team is obviously not wanting to win then.teams have made that gamble and it has worked.

 

Moss and Boldin were also older then Blackmon which you have yet to take into account, and that contributed to the pick they were traded for. remember Moss was traded to the raiders for a 1st rounder when he was younger and in his prime.and the ravens gave a 3rd and 4th for a younger Boldin.a  3rd would be ideal compensation for him, maybe a 2nd if its protected in some sorts.

[MadHatter]

A first or second......not worth the risk.  Guy is a headcase.

 

But, a third....yea, I would take that chance

[General_Purr]

What the hell are you guys saying turn it around? Turn it around from what? He is a great player on the worst team in the NFL. You guys think he is a "bad person" because he smoked a joint at 23? Get off your high horse. Its 2013. Update your research, its not 1987 right now.

[DaveThePanther2008]

How long had each been in the league?  And Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon.  By the time Moss got traded for a 4th some people thought he was washed up.

 

 

I believe Moss broke the record for receiving TDs.  In their 18-1 season.   He was a huge pick up even if it was for one season.  Boldin wasn't close to Blackmon?  How so, Boldin and Fitzgerald gave teams fits.  Had they ever had QB they would have been the best tandem in the NFL.   Not sure how you figure Blackmon is Superior to Boldin.