Blackmon available for trade? EDIT: blackmon suspended for season

[Marguide]

Good GM's just don't trade good players. Any dumb s.o.b. knows that.  :rolleyes:

 

Ozzie Newsome is a complete idiot apparently, because he first got sold a bill of goods by Arizona when he picked up Anquan Boldin, and was apparently an idiot again because he, in fact, traded a good player, and did it for a 6th rounder at that. What a fool! 

 

The Pats? They were fools too when they picked up that bonehead Randy Moss.

 

As were the Vikes with a certain DE with a drinking problem.

 

As were the Rams when they traded for a future HOF running back.

 

As were San Fran when they traded for a future HOF QB.

 

Or how about the ultimate in stupidity, the NE Pats actually traded picks to get a coach. A coach!

 

Did these organizations think they were playing Madden, or what?    ;)

[DaveThePanther2008]

Good GM's just don't trade good players. Any dumb s.o.b. knows that.  :rolleyes:

 

Ozzie Newsome is a complete idiot apparently, because he first got sold a bill of goods by Arizona when he picked up Anquan Boldin, and was apparently an idiot again because he, in fact, traded a good player, and did it for a 6th rounder at that. What a fool! 

 

The Pats? They were fools too when they picked up that bonehead Randy Moss.

 

As were the Vikes with a certain DE with a drinking problem.

 

As were the Rams when they traded for a future HOF running back.

 

As were San Fran when they traded for a future HOF QB.

 

Or how about the ultimate in stupidity, the NE Pats actually traded picks to get a coach. A coach!

 

Did these organizations think they were playing Madden, or what?    ;)

 

 

The key ingredient you didn't mention was they got more than what they gave up.  

 

I am all for trading for Blackmon just not giving up too much for him.

 

You don't give away your day one or day two picks.

[Marguide]

The key ingredient you didn't mention was they got more than what they gave up.  

 

I am all for trading for Blackmon just not giving up too much for him.

 

You don't give away your day one or day two picks.

 

With that rule set in stone, you would have missed out on several of the deals cited above.

 

The point is, whether trading or drafting, player evaluation is always somewhat of a crapshoot. Some trades work out, some don't. 

 

Those that call others an idiot for suggesting we should consider a given trade, especially when done in a condescending manner, do nothing but show their narrow view of how to achieve success in the NFL.

[DaveThePanther2008]

With that rule set in stone, you would have missed out on several of the deals cited above.

 

The point is, whether trading or drafting, player evaluation is always somewhat of a crapshoot. Some trades work out, some don't. 

 

Those that call others an idiot for suggesting we should consider a given trade, especially when done in a condescending manner, do nothing but show their narrow view of how to achieve success in the NFL.

 

I assume you are speaking about someone else because I NEVER called anyone an idiot nor was being condescending. 

 

The deals "cited above" were made were the advantage of the receiver.  Moss and Boldin went for peanuts.   My point was and still is.  You don't trade top picks for a player that has major off the field issues.  Neither of these two had off the field issues like Blackmon does.  Apples and Oranges

 

Aqib Talib and a 7th round pick went to New England for a 4th.  Not only did New England get a solid but troubled player they got a possible gem in the 7th round.  Who made out on this deal?  New England because they didn't give too much up for this troubled player.  

 

IN THE BLACKMON case.  You don't give up a whole lot for a player on the edge of a year long suspension.

[Marguide]

I assume you are speaking about someone else because I NEVER called anyone an idiot nor was being condescending. 

 

The deals "cited above" were made were the advantage of the receiver.  Moss and Boldin went for peanuts.   My point was and still is.  You don't trade top picks for a player that has major off the field issues.  Neither of these two had off the field issues like Blackmon does.  Apples and Oranges

 

Aqib Talib and a 7th round pick went to New England for a 4th.  Not only did New England get a solid but troubled player they got a possible gem in the 7th round.  Who made out on this deal?  New England because they didn't give too much up for this troubled player.  

 

IN THE BLACKMON case.  You don't give up a whole lot for a player on the edge of a year long suspension.

 

I was not talking about you.

 

The Vikes traded a 1st and two 3rd's for Jared Allen after he had been convicted of 3 DUI's.

 

Marshall Faulk was missing meetings and had problems with the management in Indy, but St. Louis gave up 2 picks for him, including a 2nd rounder.

 

Steve Young was considered a bust when he was traded from Tampa to SF for two picks, including a 2nd rounder.

 

So yes, sometimes players with issues have been traded for high picks and sometimes it works out. The last two guys are in the HOF in part because they got a fresh start with a new team. 

 

Maybe Blackmon will go south. Maybe he'll be great. You could say the same about any given draft pick. 

 

If I thought he was being seriously shopped, I would at least do due diligence, with a thorough investigation of his lifestyle, friends, etc. If that checked out within reason and the price was right, then yes, I think he would have to be considered.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I was not talking about you.

 

The Vikes traded a 1st and two 3rd's for Jared Allen after he had been convicted of 3 DUI's.

 

Marshall Faulk was missing meetings and had problems with the management in Indy, but St. Louis gave up 2 picks for him, including a 2nd rounder.

 

Steve Young was considered a bust when he was traded from Tampa to SF for two picks, including a 2nd rounder.

 

So yes, sometimes players with issues have been traded for high picks and sometimes it works out. The last two guys are in the HOF in part because they got a fresh start with a new team. 

 

Maybe Blackmon will go south. Maybe he'll be great. You could say the same about any given draft pick. 

 

If I thought he was being seriously shopped, I would at least do due diligence, with a thorough investigation of his lifestyle, friends, etc. If that checked out within reason and the price was right, then yes, I think he would have to be considered.

 

Moss went for a 4th and even you mentioned Boldin went for 6th.  Being shrewd is part of being a great GM.

 

Blackmon has a huge upside and I agree that as a GM you should do his due diligence before you make a trade.  But as a good GM you also use his faults to lower the price.  If a GM can get Boldin or Moss for a 4th or lower.  Why in the heck would you give up a potential start for another.  (1st 2nd and 3rd Rounders as prospective starters)

[LinvilleGorge]

If we could get him for a 4th, I'd carry him piggyback style from Jacksonville to Charlotte myself. I'd seriously consider giving a 3rd. 2cd... eh, not too excited about that. 1st... LOL! Go fug yourself Jags.

[Mr. Scot]

Good GM's just don't trade good players. Any dumb s.o.b. knows that. :rolleyes:

Ozzie Newsome is a complete idiot apparently, because he first got sold a bill of goods by Arizona when he picked up Anquan Boldin, and was apparently an idiot again because he, in fact, traded a good player, and did it for a 6th rounder at that. What a fool!

The Pats? They were fools too when they picked up that bonehead Randy Moss.

As were the Vikes with a certain DE with a drinking problem.

As were the Rams when they traded for a future HOF running back.

As were San Fran when they traded for a future HOF QB.

Or how about the ultimate in stupidity, the NE Pats actually traded picks to get a coach. A coach!

Did these organizations think they were playing Madden, or what? ;)

And exactly how many of those guys were one strike away from a year's vacation?

Equating guys like Boldin, Faulk and Young with a guy like Blackmon is a stretch worthy of Mr. Fantastic.

Moss? He was a prick (still is) who had worn out his welcome in Minnesota, and eventually did the same in New England without bringing home a championship. And sorry, but you'll have to help me get exactly why a trade for Moss (a far superior talent) that only netted a 4th should encourage me to give up a pick in the top three rounds for a far less talented receiver in Blackmon.

The Allen trade? Worth it, but how many more of that type can you find? On the flip side, if you want guys who proved not to be worth what was traded/paid for them, there are definitely examples. And again, do you really wanna try and tell me Justin Blackmon is a talent on the level of Jared Allen?

Please :rolleyes:

[Marguide]

And exactly how many of those guys were one strike away from a year's vacation?

Equating guys like Boldin, Faulk and Young with a guy like Blackmon is a stretch worthy of Mr. Fantastic.

Moss? He was a prick (still is) who had worn out his welcome in Minnesota, and eventually did the same in New England without bringing home a championship. And sorry, but you'll have to help me get exactly why a trade for Moss (a far superior talent) that only netted a 4th should encourage me to give up a pick in the top three rounds for a far less talented receiver in Blackmon.

The Allen trade? Worth it, but how many more of that type can you find? On the flip side, if you want guys who proved not to be worth what was traded/paid for them, there are definitely examples. And again, do you really wanna try and tell me Justin Blackmon is a talent on the level of Jared Allen?

Please :rolleyes:

 

The biggest difference in potential compensation between say Boldin or Moss vs Blackmon is their respective ages. 

 

As to how good Blackmon is compared to some of the others mentioned, I would remind you that Young was widely viewed as a bust when the deal went down. It's not like they knew they were getting a future HOFer. No one knows for sure what kind of career JB will have, just that he is a guy that has been productive when on the field.

 

However, none of that was really the point of my posts. You repeatedly stated that good GM's don't deal good players, only those with more baggage than they're worth. That is clearly false. It has happened too many times to count. 

 

(Insert appropriate smiley face here).

[mav1234]

Moss went for a 4th and even you mentioned Boldin went for 6th.  Being shrewd is part of being a great GM.

 

 

How long had each been in the league?  And Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon.  By the time Moss got traded for a 4th some people thought he was washed up.

[DirtyMagic97]

How long had each been in the league?  And Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon.  By the time Moss got traded for a 4th some people thought he was washed up.

 

I wouldn't say Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon. Boldin's first season was over 100 catches and over 1300 yards. The next season he was injured I believe, but his third season was over 100 catches and 1400 yards, followed by a 1200 yard season. People forget just how good Boldin was, even when he had to share receptions with Fitz.

[mav1234]

I wouldn't say Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon. Boldin's first season was over 100 catches and over 1300 yards. The next season he was injured I believe, but his third season was over 100 catches and 1400 yards, followed by a 1200 yard season. People forget just how good Boldin was, even when he had to share receptions with Fitz.

 

That's true, I had forgotten his first few years... Of course if we look at who he had throwing him the ball compared to Blackmon, meh... but yeah, Boldin was very good early on, you are right, but by the time he got traded for that I don't think he was great anymore.

[DirtyMagic97]

That's true, I had forgotten his first few years... Of course if we look at who he had throwing him the ball compared to Blackmon, meh... but yeah, Boldin was very good early on, you are right, but by the time he got traded for that I don't think he was great anymore.

 

I'd agree with that for sure. By the time he was traded, he had no where near the upside Blackmon does right now.

[AceMan]

I wouldn't say Boldin was never anything close to Blackmon. Boldin's first season was over 100 catches and over 1300 yards. The next season he was injured I believe, but his third season was over 100 catches and 1400 yards, followed by a 1200 yard season. People forget just how good Boldin was, even when he had to share receptions with Fitz.

 

Which should be ironic because he styled on us when he returned from a broken jaw..but I guess it's not remembered since we ended up winning that game