Josh Gordon News

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Buyer beware

[Guest Spider Monkey]

Josh Gordon is quickly becoming the most overrated player on this board.

He is young and talented but he isn't AJ Green. And he is the dumbest, most immature player not name Adam Jones.

[RoaringRiot]

And this season is so important that you're willing to mortgage one of next year's picks?

We used to have a GM that thought like that too.

I didn't say I wanted Gordon, I was explaining why you would make the move and not wait. And if this year isn't important and you don't believe you can compete then let's go ahead and lose every game and get a better pick. Are a few more wins that important? That's the logic you just used.

[Boltergeist]

Your not getting a 2 for a guy one strike away from being done for a year.

 

I think Cleveland's fine with keeping Gordon, so why not set a higher price for him. Also, with them getting Indy to cave and finally give up their 1 for Richardson, I think they're good with standing their ground.

[Mr. Scot]

i don't think you comprehended what i just said in that post:

1. You know as a fact what you have in Gordon. Big time player but a bonehead.

2. You do NOT know as a fact who you have when you draft somebody. You may have an idea, but you don't know it as a fact.

That was the point i was trying to make. I'm not saying we should make this trade. I'm saying we should entertain the idea of it and look at the risk/reward. It seems like you didn't even read what I posted.

I addressed your idea of calculated risk.

Risk/reward for a guy who's already more than halfway down a bad road isn't equal to that of a college kid who doesn't have any record. That balance is skewed way more toward the 'risk' side.

I'll take a guy who's a blank slate over a guy who's already shown he's a dumbass.

[Mr. Scot]

I didn't say I wanted Gordon, I was explaining why you would make the move and not wait. And if this year isn't important and you don't believe you can compete then let's go ahead and lose every game and get a better pick. Are a few more wins that important? That's the logic you just used.

The logic I used is that you don't mortgage your future on a risky investment.

That has zero to do with tanking the season.

[RoaringRiot]

Well....you were saying that earlier but that's no exactly what you said to me.

I think you do take that risk if you're confident you're going to get the appropriate return.

Does adding Gordon this year mean playoffs? If GMen answers yes to that then it should be considered. If not....no way I trade

[Mr. Scot]

Well....you were saying that earlier but that's no exactly what you said to me.

I think you do take that risk if you're confident you're going to get the appropriate return.

Does adding Gordon this year mean playoffs? If GMen answers yes to that then it should be considered. If not....no way I trade

I'm not sold that this deal would offer something special enough to be worth giving up a pick, especially not a high pick.

[MaineManPanther]

We're not talking about a guy who's a blank slate.

We're talking about a guy with a history of being a twit who's one more twittish act away from being suspended for at least four games, maybe a full year.

Explain to me why I spend a high pick on that guy when I could just as easily spend one on a kid who's just as talented and doesn't have the baggage.

- Its not at all certain that your intended WR/s would be there for your choosing. Or that any worthy WR would be for your later picks.

- Even if you do draft the one you wanted its up in the air if he turns out legitimate.

- Even if he is legit it could take a few years for him to be a top threat.

These are all things that can be avoided with the trade. Not saying we should, but there are multiple advantages and reasons to do it over drafting one.

[AceBoogie]

Look, I've accepted The Panthers will never take a risk on gifted-but-troubled player, however, this effing sucks. I could care less if we don't land him. I just don't him to go to a contender and make them stronger. I despised watching teams like San Fran and Seattle stockpile on talent this off-season. For example, how the hell do we compensate for Josh Gordon AND Percy Harvin (if The Seahawks make a move) with Russell Wilson at the helm?

I know one thing. Nobody here can make the excuse that there isn't #1 WR talent in this draft. I would trade up in this draft for one

[Mr. Scot]

Look, I've accepted The Panthers will never take a risk on gifted-but-troubled player, however, this effing sucks. I could care less if we don't land him. I just don't him to go to a contender and make them stronger. I despised watching teams like San Fran and Seattle stockpile on talent this off-season. For example, how the hell do we compensate for Josh Gordon AND Percy Harvin (if The Seahawks make a move) with Russell Wilson at the helm?

 

Using a #1 pick on a quarterback who had a couple of issues in college doesn't count as a risk?

 

(not a slam on Newton, but those things were out there)

 

For that matter, how about keeping a receiver who's beaten up two of his teammates?

 

Am I the only one that remembers Jeremy Shockey playing here?

 

And heck, there was the drafting of Brandon Hogan too (mind you, that particular risk didn't really pan out).

[Estrada]

Josh Gordon is a Cleveland Brown for the foreseeable future.

 

Browns receiver Josh Gordon is not on the market.

That’s the word from Browns CEO Joe Banner, who told USA Today that Gordon, a talented player who carries some off-field baggage, is in the Browns’ long-term plans.

“We’re absolutely not shopping Josh,” Banner said. “We’re not going to shop him and we don’t have any plan or intention to trade him.”

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/12/joe-banner-were-absolutely-not-shopping-josh-gordon/

[Mr. Scot]

Here's what you have to remember anytime you get a guy with a history of drug offenses on your team...

 

You have to remember guys like Bengals RB Stanley Wilson, who decided he needed a drug fix just minutes prior to Super Bowl XXIII.  He got so drugged up he couldn't play.  The Bengals offense missed him, and they lost a close game.

 

More recently, another guy with drug, alcohol and other problems, Raiders center Barrett Robbins, also skipped out on his teammates just prior to a Super Bowl.  Again, the day which should have been one of the greatest of his life, ruined.

 

Or how about old "Hollywood" Henderson, a guy with loads of talent playing for Tom Landry's Cowboys, but who wasted it all on drugs and wound up cut, a footnote to the Cowboys glory days.

 

And then there's guys like Sam Hurd, Travis Henry, Dexter Manley, Bam Morris and many others.

 

What do all these guys have in common?  They were willing to give up everything they had spent their entire lives working for as well as letting down the teammates they'd fought so hard alongside, for what?

 

A temporary good feeling :wacko:

 

In Gordon, you've got a guy who's already made that same kind of choice, and more than once.  And keep in mind that he would have done so with the full knowledge that the NFL was going to be watching him closely because of prior incidents.  Just how poor does your judgment have to be to make that choice?

 

And that's the risk you take with every guy who fits this profile.  That risk that one day, maybe at a time when you really need them, they'll choose drugs over football.  Essentially valuing a temporary high over the culmination of everything they've worked, slaved and sacrificed their entire lives to achieve, and hanging their teammates out to dry in the process.

 

People, including many high profile athletes, have pissed away careers, families, friendships, money, heck, their whole lives just for one more chance at a temporary good feeling.

 

So point blank, if I want to build a team that can win a Super Bowl, I'm not about to spend millions of dollars on a guy who might go out during Super Bowl week - or even in the weeks before - and wind up not being available when I need him.

 

If you can't see how that's a bad investment, I doubt I can help you understand it.

 

But make no mistake, many an NFL owner understands it quite well.

[jungleking]

Lots of value there, economically as well as on the field. Good players on rookie deals are enormous luxuries for their teams. And you get to free up cap space by trading a player away? The cap swing is almost worth a pick by itself.