Meeks will prove to be the best acquisition of the offseason

[panthers55]

it is very clear why Trgo left....he couldn't do his job in Carolina w/o Fox overstepping the boundries......so he took a lesser job to get out. He dumped Carolina. The same Peppers logic can be used. Trgo dumped us.....so now thefans paint him as the bad guy or boob. It is not a unique thought of mine about why Trgo left or who is really to blame for the defense........Trgo isn't going to trash Foxy b/c he wants to remain a DC in the NFL. Fox took over meetings once from him and there where rumors he came in again last season.

We won't run a tampa 2 next year.....and it will look oddly like it did last season.....expect Godfrey won't be as bad and maybe someone other than Pep on the front 4 can get some pressure.

If it is so clear, do you have any link or interview to prove your contentions? Otherwise it is your baseless speculation based on the fact that you don't like Fox. Just state it as you opinion or your speculation rather than act like you know something.

As for our base scheme, how can you be sure what we will do. More baseless speculation????

[panthers55]

I'm really not trying to......just venting like I said earlier. Normally I don't engage like this on the board......just using the board as a stress reliever the past few days and decided to take it out on Foxy. Thanks all for letting me go off and babble. I know my arguments are a tad whack on this one....but at least for today....I'm sticking with it

Well at least it is better I expect than going home and kicking the dog. I guess this is cheaper than counseling.

[carpanfan96]

It doesn't really matter if fox gets in on the Defense, He hired a guy who runs the same style of defense. It's a cover heavy defense that Relies almost completely on the front four for pressure. Tampa 2 = Fox's Cover defense are basically the same. Only difference is Beason has more responsibilities now then he did last year and the defense will be more aggressive in the zone. That is if all the signs from player comments are right.

That said I like what Meeks brings to the table, and I'm positive he'll make a difference on defense.

[panthers55]

Does it bear mentioning that Cover 2 is essentially a happy and diverse middle ground between strict zone defense and strict man-to-man defense? And that if all the talk of a faster, more aggressive defense that is focused on the ballcarrier were coupled with Foxy's traditional zone coverage the result would most likely wind up somewhere close to resembling a Cover 2 base?

Actually a cover 2 is a defensive zone shell scheme, nothing more. You can run a man under or zone under scheme. A strict cover 2 actually runs man under. A cover 2 zone indicates zone coverage underneath. And there are variations of this as well with a cover 2 zone, for example, using a the strong safety if he is a cover guy manning up on the slot receiver or tight end.

So the truth is that a cover 2 really just says that you will have 2 guys deep nothing more.

[rayzor]

conversations like this are awesome because you get to know who the closed minded people are and who you should avoid because conversations and discussion will go no where. you show them everything to support your position and the come back with the same statement said over and over with no stats or supporting evidence. no comments, no quotes...only their limited PoV.

[Brandon]

conversations like this are awesome because you get to know who the closed minded people are and who you should avoid because conversations and discussion will go no where. you show them everything to support your position and the come back with the same statement said over and over with no stats or supporting evidence. no comments, no quotes...only their limited PoV.

To be fair, if I was capable of intellectual dishonesty I could use stats to prove just about anything.

[panthers55]

To be fair, if I was capable of intellectual dishonesty I could use stats to prove just about anything.

At least stats give you some basis for discussion and you can see what they have and dispute them with other numbers. But an assertion or speculation presented as fact with no documentation, link or numbers gives you nothing.

[QuasiYoda]

CRA when I left earlier today you said

it's been a bad week and work.....and this helps the time go by. I'll try to keep it down some.......

Hope things work out for you at work.

When I come back tonight you spent the day trying to put Down Coach Fox. Dude give it rest You're stretching the truth beyond all recognition. You're fencing with everybody here who doesn't understand it is foolish to debate someone who changes his position continuously as long he can torque it to blame everything on John Fox. You have issues with authority figures in your life? Because you are not showing any sense of integrity regarding these discussions.

Perhaps if you tried using some integrity in these discussions it would help you in whatever it is that is causing you trouble in your life. My intuition tells me this is so . . . try it out.

You're causing trouble for yourself on this board does it in some way parallel your troubles at work?

Trgo basically has implied (?) if you are going to coach under Fox that Fox is going to have control over the defense. Fox is have proven to be as stubborn as they come in my book.

Looking at the bold quote above . . .Your PERCEPTION of John Fox is different from you HOW?

Really . . . THINK about it!

Psychotherapy via Message Board

[rayzor]

To be fair, if I was capable of intellectual dishonesty I could use stats to prove just about anything.

At least stats give you some basis for discussion and you can see what they have and dispute them with other numbers. But an assertion or speculation presented as fact with no documentation, link or numbers gives you nothing.

yeah, at least you'd be trying.

what's funny is to throw the homer tag around to anyone who doesn't agree with you in your "unbiased critique" of the team

[Gman was right]

RAH RAH RAH! John Fox controlling the defense and the coordinators? How dare your insinuate such a thing? John Fox has no part of it! You guys are just trolls!

GO PANTHERS! 19-0! ESPN SUCKS! Where's the respect? RAH RAH RAH!

[QuasiYoda]

RAH RAH RAH! John Fox controlling the defense and the coordinators? How dare your insinuate such a thing? John Fox has no part of it! You guys are just trolls!

GO PANTHERS! 19-0! ESPN SUCKS! Where's the respect? RAH RAH RAH!

Using the Straw Man Technique of disinformation with that one "Gman the wrong". Pervert your opponents argument then then attack that as if it was their argument.

Ha ha How Childishly transparent of you

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

Actually a cover 2 is a defensive zone shell scheme, nothing more. You can run a man under or zone under scheme. A strict cover 2 actually runs man under. A cover 2 zone indicates zone coverage underneath. And there are variations of this as well with a cover 2 zone, for example, using a the strong safety if he is a cover guy manning up on the slot receiver or tight end.

So the truth is that a cover 2 really just says that you will have 2 guys deep nothing more.

True, which is why I said it was a very diverse base to come from, but the overall goal is to mix a reactive zone coverage both deep to the outside and typically midfield (safties and a linebacker, usually the middle) with strong man-to-man coverage on the remaining pass threats (cornerbacks and usually a linebacker if its not a nickel package). Thus, a blend of the speed of strict man-to-man and the read-and-react of zone.

On an offshoot, would anyone expect a half inverted option with Harris stepping up to make plays midfield and Marshall covering one of the deep zones? Marshall would need a little more conditioning to pull that off effectively, but I could see it happening.

[rayzor]

RAH RAH RAH! John Fox controlling the defense and the coordinators? How dare your insinuate such a thing? John Fox has no part of it! You guys are just trolls!

GO PANTHERS! 19-0! ESPN SUCKS! Where's the respect? RAH RAH RAH!

so you hoping for another ban?

[Snake]

so you hoping for another ban?

Maybe this one will be longer. At lest LBF has some good points.