Meeks will prove to be the best acquisition of the offseason

[CRA]

Dude...every single defensive player that was at OTA's has said that they're learning new schemes and doing new drills. How do you get that Fox is micro managing the defense from that? It sure sounds to me like Fox and Meeks are on the same page, and that Fox is letting him run the show.

There was a lot of talk last year at this time also.......

Sorry, until I see something really different I will assume Fox is going to bring his basic plan on both sides of the ball every year. Trgo basically has implied if you are going to coach under Fox that Fox is going to have control over the defense. Fox is have proven to be as stubborn as they come in my book.

obviously, I am in the minority on this one........so I guess that means I am the only bright one of the bunch........or I guess maybe there is a tiny microscopic chance I maybe possibly could be wrong.

[Snake]

You and others who are predicting a more aggressive defense, do know the Tampa 2 is more of a read and react defense?

I will say just Meeks stressing on the fundamentals, and simplifying things, and letting our defensive athletes play, should make the defense look more agressive in general, as our defense should play more consistently (I hope).

I am a big fan of read and react and have always liked how the buc's would do so well on D. If its done RIGHT its very difficult to gameplan ageist and you see alot of turnovers.

[panthers55]

Trgo has said (in very nice words)he left b/c he couldn't work under Fox. Again, your view on this is simply to paint him as a guy who couldn't hack it and left......most outside of Carolina few it as guy who could no longer coach under Fox......

also, only people on message boards talk about running a cover 2 next season.....Fox and Meeks have both been asked about that and neither will committ to it......the only thing we really hear from players is that exact same language being tossed around that was used last year prior to the season.

NO he never said that at all. Trgo said he wanted a change, that his wife commented that he didn't seem happy and he said he wanted less pressure and hassle. You can read all you want in it but he NEVER said he couldn't work for Fox. He actually thanked Fox for giving him the opportunity.

And Fox and Meeks didn't commit to a Tampa 2 or a cover 2 expressly, but if you have been following the OTAs, you would know that we were practicing a cover 2. Plus Fox has always run a zone coverage in the secondary. If we are running a Fox defense as you suggested and Meeks is just a puppet, then you know it would be a zone.

Are you backpedaling or what???

[CRA]

NO he never said that at all. Trgo said he wanted a change, that his wife commented that he didn't seem happy and he said he wanted less pressure and hassle. You can read all you want in it but he NEVER said he couldn't work for Fox. He actually thanked Fox for giving him the opportunity.

And Fox and Meeks didn't commit to a Tampa 2 or a cover 2 expressly, but if you have been following the OTAs, you would know that we were practicing a cover 2. Plus Fox has always run a zone coverage in the secondary. If we are running a Fox defense as you suggested and Meeks is just a puppet, then you know it would be a zone.

Are you backpedaling or what???

it is very clear why Trgo left....he couldn't do his job in Carolina w/o Fox overstepping the boundries......so he took a lesser job to get out. He dumped Carolina. The same Peppers logic can be used. Trgo dumped us.....so now thefans paint him as the bad guy or boob. It is not a unique thought of mine about why Trgo left or who is really to blame for the defense........Trgo isn't going to trash Foxy b/c he wants to remain a DC in the NFL. Fox took over meetings once from him and there where rumors he came in again last season.

We won't run a tampa 2 next year.....and it will look oddly like it did last season.....expect Godfrey won't be as bad and maybe someone other than Pep on the front 4 can get some pressure.

[monstercat]

There was a lot of talk last year at this time also.......

Sorry, until I see something really different I will assume Fox is going to bring his basic plan on both sides of the ball every year. Trgo basically has implied if you are going to coach under Fox that Fox is going to have control over the defense. Fox is have proven to be as stubborn as they come in my book.

obviously, I am in the minority on this one........so I guess that means I am the only bright one of the bunch........or I guess maybe there is a tiny microscopic chance I maybe possibly could be wrong.

The only talk from last year, was that they were gonna simplify Trgo's playbook a little bit, not that they were changing the defense. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

Does it bear mentioning that Cover 2 is essenitaily a happy and diverse middle ground between strict zone defense and strict man-to-man defense? And that if all the talk of a faster, more aggressive defense that is focused on the ballcarrier were coupled with Foxy's traditional zone coverage the result would most likely wind up somewhere close to resembeling a Cover 2 base?

[CRA]

I do not like John Fox.

[Phoenaxe]

I do not like John Fox.

Wow really? I couldn't tell. You're whole argument has been baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up. You are free to believe whatever you want to. But the truth is no one knows what happened in those meetings except that John Fox sat in. As far as John Fox always being exactly the same, what about when Del Rio was here? I'm pretty sure it didn't resemble the defense of the last few years.

[CRA]

Wow really? I couldn't tell. You're whole argument has been baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up. You are free to believe whatever you want to. But the truth is no one knows what happened in those meetings except that John Fox sat in. As far as John Fox always being exactly the same, what about when Del Rio was here? I'm pretty sure it didn't resemble the defense of the last few years.

No. I make assumptions based on what history has shown us in Carolina under Fox. The assumptions arguing against me have no more factual evidence at this point to support the opposite view.

Del Rio was here one year. Fox's 1st year as a head coach. I put little in that......we have seen exactly how stubborn and bullheaded Fox is/become....the past few years we have had an average DL.....an average DL doesn't work with what Foxy does. Regardless of players Fox will execute Fox ball.....that is why he relied heavily on a weak front 4 last year, why he ran Foster like he was Stephen Davis, etc., etc.

Give Fox a good OL, RB, and front 4.....and he is a good coach. Give him any other combo....and imo he simply isn't that good.

[Brandon]

No. I make assumptions based on what history has us in Carolina under Fox. The assumptions arguing against me have no more factual evidence at this point to support the opposite view.

Del Rio was here one year. Fox's 1st year as a head coach. A put little in that......we have seen exactly how stubborn and bullheaded Fox is/become....the past few years we have had an average DL.....an average DL doesn't work with what Foxy does. Regardless of players Fox will execute Fox ball.....that is why he relied heavily on a weak front 4 last year, why he ran Foster like he was Stephen Davis, etc., etc.

Based on what I've seen, I assume you sleep with farm animals. Now disprove it.

See how that works?

[bleys]

When every single defensive player that has been asked, all say that things are different now...it's pretty damned obvious that it's different. Call me crazy.

you're crazy. ...... lol

I don't see any flip flops, I just not on the homer level

you know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? You resort to using the "homer" label as if it means anything. The funny thing is everyone slinging that term around resort to that term when they are backed in a corner with no way out. No stats, no logic, no nothing... I love how people use the term like it's a bad thing. Funny thing is these "homers" seem to have a more balanced opinion than any hater.

You know how I know you're a hater?

I do not like John Fox.

Because you have one opinion, and having nothing to back it up.

Wow really? I couldn't tell. You're whole argument has been baseless assumptions with no facts to back it up. You are free to believe whatever you want to. But the truth is no one knows what happened in those meetings except that John Fox sat in. As far as John Fox always being exactly the same, what about when Del Rio was here? I'm pretty sure it didn't resemble the defense of the last few years.

Like he said...

Sorry, know you've had a bad week at work... but damn, pass the time doing a little research instead.

[Phoenaxe]

No. I make assumptions based on what history has shown us in Carolina under Fox. The assumptions arguing against me have no more factual evidence at this point to support the opposite view.

Del Rio was here one year. Fox's 1st year as a head coach. I put little in that......we have seen exactly how stubborn and bullheaded Fox is/become....the past few years we have had an average DL.....an average DL doesn't work with what Foxy does. Regardless of players Fox will execute Fox ball.....that is why he relied heavily on a weak front 4 last year, why he ran Foster like he was Stephen Davis, etc., etc.

At the end of the day an assumption is and assumption. Neither one of us has facts. So quit trying to pass it off as Truth. That's all.

[CRA]

At the end of the day an assumption is and assumption. Neither one of us has facts. So quit trying to pass it off as Truth. That's all.

I'm really not trying to......just venting like I said earlier. Normally I don't engage like this on the board......just using the board as a stress reliever the past few days and decided to take it out on Foxy. Thanks all for letting me go off and babble. I know my arguments are a tad whack on this one....but at least for today....I'm sticking with it

[bleys]

I'm really not trying to......just venting like I said earlier. Normally I don't engage like this on the board......just using the board as a stress reliever the past few days and decided to take it out on Foxy. Thanks all for letting me go off and babble. I know my arguments are a tad whack on this one....but at least for today....I'm sticking with it

At least you are up front without putting up a front... try reading some articles on what players are saying.. then again, I guess you can call them liars like others when it doesn't fit their view.