JR, Gettleman and Cam

[TheRed]

Deangelo Williams must have gone over to CRA's house one day and took a dump on his kitchen counter or something. He is not pleased.

[CRA]

Deangelo Williams must have gone over to CRA's house one day and took a dump on his kitchen counter or something. He is not pleased.

I just don't see he need to overrate him.

He was paid to be great.....has been a decent roleplayer.

That makes your team bad.

I am a Panther fan. Players come and go for me....they don't for everyone

I want to move on from both RBs. Not just Williams

[ckad79]

There is some truth to what Gettleman said. He wants a pocket passer and he's basically telling Cam, "prove to me you can be that kind of QB first". The season he has made an effort to be more of a pocket passer and although he's struggled early on, he's also improved. In Minnesota, he was a pocket pass all day (only running when the line collapsed, which is what you want) and he showed major signs of improvement. Still, I don't agree with fans who are like "you have to let Cam be Cam and make plays happen with his legs." Gettleman wants to know that Cam can be a traditional QB first and foremost, as frustrating as it has been a times. 

[TheRed]

I just don't see he need to overrate him.

He was paid to be great.....has been a decent roleplayer.

That makes your team bad.

I am a Panther fan. Players come and go for me....they don't for everyone

I want to move on from both RBs. Not just Williams

It's unlikely both of them will be here next year anyway.

[Marguide]

Deangelo Williams must have gone over to CRA's house one day and took a dump on his kitchen counter or something. He is not pleased.

 

What I find humorous are the lengths he goes to trying to sound objective.

 

It has nothing to do with their terrible contracts, because Stew's is frankly worse than DWill's. And everyone and their brother knows we overvalued both of them.

 

The funny part is CRA is always talking as if it's a no-brainer that Stew is the better back, when in reality, he has never been better overall than DWill. The only reason we were trying to make Stew the feature back was to see if he could hold up to the pounding. If he had, they would have gotten out from under DWill's deal last offseason.

 

Unfortunately, he broke down so they had to keep DWill around. DWill has since held up his end of the bargain.

 

[Rubi]

While it was completely fuging awesome, Cam's amazing rookie season was probably one of the worst things that could happen for a lot of the fans--and perhaps even Cam himself to a certain extent. It made expectations extremely high and us forget just how raw he was when we drafted him. And, while I love him to death and hate to say it... I think he bought into his own hype a bit after his rookie season (seriously, go watch some of his interviews from back then particularly the "safari" one and the Madden videos, etc.). I mean I don't blame him a bit, he was a young kid on top of the world at the time coming off back-to-back National Championships, two undefeated seasons, a Heisman, a historical rookie campaign, the Pro Bowl, and endorsements out the wazoo. All of it was pretty unprecedented. He's definitely grown a lot since then.

It was generally accepted among the fanbase that he was going to be a project QB with ridiculous upside and potential for the future before we drafted him, and no one really expected him to do much his first year. Yet there he goes guns-a-blazing from the get go and completely shattered all expectations of him going forward. Now we're spoiled and expect him to be elite 5 games into his 3rd year.

The dude only had 1-year of D1 school experience, he pretty much jumped straight into the pros. It's amazing what he's accomplished thus far, and he's still learning as opposed to other QBs who are more experienced and polished with their footwork, etc coming out.

Hell even still he's the best young QB in the game if you ask me. He also is very serious about getting better, you can tell he legitimately wants to be one of the best and completely despises losing.

This is how you post ^^^

[TheRed]

What I find humorous are the lengths he goes to trying to sound objective.

It has nothing to do with their terrible contracts, because Stew's is frankly worse than DWill's. And everyone and their brother knows we overvalued both of them.

The funny part is CRA is always talking as if it's a no-brainer that Stew is the better back, when in reality, he has never been better overall than DWill. The only reason we were trying to make Stew the feature back was to see if he could hold up to the pounding. If he had, they would have gotten out from under DWill's deal last offseason.

Unfortunately, he broke down so they had to keep DWill around. DWill has since held up his end of the bargain.

Yeah as much as I love Stewart, at least Deangelo is seeing the field, and producing.

[iamhubby1]

Yeah as much as I love Stewart, at least Deangelo is seeing the field, and producing.

Stewy had his chance to be lead dog. Oops. DWill is giving us exactly what we thought. Production. You still have to play him as a homerun threat. Teams still fear him. Is that not enough proof of his respect level?

 

 

What I find humorous are the lengths he goes to trying to sound objective.

 

It has nothing to do with their terrible contracts, because Stew's is frankly worse than DWill's. And everyone and their brother knows we overvalued both of them.

 

The funny part is CRA is always talking as if it's a no-brainer that Stew is the better back, when in reality, he has never been better overall than DWill. The only reason we were trying to make Stew the feature back was to see if he could hold up to the pounding. If he had, they would have gotten out from under DWill's deal last offseason.

 

Unfortunately, he broke down so they had to keep DWill around. DWill has since held up his end of the bargain.

We all know our RB position sucks, value wise. That is his only legitimate complaint. The money, it's all about the money.

When you are arguing for better value, you have to first downplay the existing product. DWill is quietly having a very good year. Yet he is average? Because for what he is being paid. He should have better stats.

It has nothing to do with talent. No matter what DWill does. He will never truly EARN his contract. So...because DWill cannot earn his contract, he is average.

You cannot fault his original point. DWill got a huge contract. Bad enough on the surface. Then you throw one at Stewy. WTF? moment in team history. But using money alone to call players average is stretching things.

 

 

It's unlikely both of them will be here next year anyway.

Too early on this one. Probably 1, maybe both. IF DWill ballz out all year. It would be hard to justify letting him get away. IF Stewy comes back, proves he can stay healthy, and ballz out. That could open the door for some wheeling and dealing.

And feisty argument up in here.

 

 

it's just the contracts honestly. If we had somebody who was doing the same but cost 600k to a million there would be no problems

That is the crux of this whole thing. Our RBs make almost 20 times that amount. That is a poo ton of money on one position. Especially when 1 of them can't seem to get, and stay, healthy. Money we could have spent on a quality FA for the O-line. Or a good CB.

We are handicapped to a certain extent. But, it is a bigger deal to some, than to others. I can justify DWill getting his. If we had only stopped there.

 

 

Williams was all that.....he isn't at 30. He is just good. People overrate him now.

People also want hang onto guys too long.

Price matters ultimately...some can't acknowledge that. He was a bad deal. Hurts your team when you play for great and just get good with limitations

If Williams was cheap....I wouldn't complain about him being a decent roleplayer for 3 years

DWill is "just good"? What does that even mean?

If we did not have DWill, we would be in a world of hurt. Some guys are worth hanging on to. At this point in time. DWill is one of those guys. He is having a great year, and you want to downplay it. Only because of his contract.

Price matters to a certain extent. We still have too much tied up in RBs. Especially when one of them can't see the field. But it is not as sever as you make it seem. It is a bad situation, made worse my Stewy's lack of playing time, that we just have to live with. Which is why it is going to be fun watching this all play out.

How much Barner can do? How healthy is Stewy? How much more can we get out of DWill? That is just the tip of the iceberg gentlemen. Lots going into this conversation at headquarters.

But hey, when you only have one bullet. Harp about the contract, fine with me. Downplay the year DWill is having to make your point, not so much.

[CRA]

What I find humorous are the lengths he goes to trying to sound objective.

It has nothing to do with their terrible contracts, because Stew's is frankly worse than DWill's. And everyone and their brother knows we overvalued both of them.

The funny part is CRA is always talking as if it's a no-brainer that Stew is the better back, when in reality, he has never been better overall than DWill. The only reason we were trying to make Stew the feature back was to see if he could hold up to the pounding. If he had, they would have gotten out from under DWill's deal last offseason.

Unfortunately, he broke down so they had to keep DWill around. DWill has since held up his end of the bargain.

It has everything to do with the horrible contracts. Remember, I was one of the few against it.....before both deals went down.

If healthy, age matters.

When healthy, Stewart was the better RB beginning in 2011. Scheme also matters. That is the issue with the Williams super fan club....they lie to themselves. Stewart wasn't the better back in 2011, huh? Yet he played a larger percentage of snaps than any RB in our division

and we had the best offense in our history.....

Williams has never held up his end of the bargain.....bad contract. Saying otherwise, simply isn't true. 3 years into his deal....and being a limited 2 down RB isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

Panthers fault, not Williams'.

[Marguide]

 Yet he played a larger percentage of snaps than any RB in our division

and we had the best offense in our history.....

Williams has never held up his end of the bargain.....bad contract. Saying otherwise, simply isn't true. 3 years into his deal....and being a limited 2 down RB isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

Panthers fault, not Williams'.

 

Byron Bell plays a lot of snaps too. There are a number of competitive and non-competitive reasons why some players get more snaps and others get less.

 

So Williams has never held up his end of his contract? And Stewart has? Hell, at least DWill is playing.

 

The irony of this discussion is I like Stew and DWill equally, but find myself defending DWill just because you are so obviously biased against him. Everyone but you seem to realize it, so stop trying to pretend your argument is objective and unemotional.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Steve Smith and average cannot exist in the same sentence, he will show you doubters once again he still has plenty juice in the tank. it seems like every season if smith isn't racking up 100 yard games or TD's or drops a couple passes he's lost a step. Also i will never get the d will hate, if it's about contract there's a line of players who should be acknowledged right there with him

[CRA]

Steve Smith and average cannot exist in the same sentence, he will show you doubters once again he still has plenty juice in the tank. it seems like every season if smith isn't racking up 100 yard games or TD's or drops a couple passes he's lost a step. Also i will never get the d will hate, if it's about contract there's a line of players who should be acknowledged right there with him

They have been. 28, 52, 50. 30, etc.

[DaveThePanther2008]

This is why folks don't see Luck as "having a slump." Outside of his team playing well, he's simply not treated the same way as Cam. There is no one sitting there micro-scrutinizing Luck the way you folks are doing to Cam week in and out, .

 

As a matter of fact, they barely want to say Luck has inaccuracy issues. Instead it's his Receivers getting the bulk of blame for him throwing his balls to short or to long. And when it's more than obvious that he threw an inaccurate ball, it's seen as his "slightly inaccurate throw." No biggie.

 

In the meantime some of you treat Cam like some sort of mental case with talent. SMDH I simply can't believe how naturally discriminating some of you are. U don't even stop and think about what you're posting.

 

 

Your right,  Luck doesn't get anywhere near the attention on his flaws as Cam did or does.  He also is still winning and that makes those flaws a little less obvious.  

 

I pointed out the Lafell point because many believe Cam locks on a target.  I think he does fine going through his progressions.  If he has the time.  The pocket is collapsing way to fast and he has to make a decision and most of the time he makes a good one.  

[Razeyfingers]

Williams was all that.....he isn't at 30. He is just good. People overrate him now.

People also want hang onto guys too long.

Price matters ultimately...some can't acknowledge that. He was a bad deal. Hurts your team when you play for great and just get good with limitations

If Williams was cheap....I wouldn't complain about him being a decent roleplayer for 3 years

 

But CRA, even without people mentioning over-rating comments you already downplay him after he has done what is expected of him (mostly) this year. You seem to always do this unprovoked