JR, Gettleman and Cam

[footballisasport]

I think our defense is in good hands right now.  I like the young defensive players and I agree about getting offensive in the draft. OL and WR are a must for us.

 

I agree his has done a great job with the limited staff on offense. 

 

You're defense is good in comparison to the last two seasons. They have been quite impressive but they cannot stop pounding if they want to be a SB caliber Defense.

[CPF4LIFE]

AceBoogie coming for Lucks neck! lol

[Razeyfingers]

Greg Olsen is arguably our best player on offense right now.

That says a lot.

 

You mean our TE is a strange best weapon to have or that Olsen isnt that good? . . cause NO doesnt have any issues rockin Graham as the feature nor does NE. . nor SD for awhile.

 

and its are you trying to say that defenses are game planning around Olsen first and not Smitty? as far as receiving weapons are concerned that is. Cause yeah Kurb. . . no. 89 is easier to game plan for now though, I'll give ya that.

[rayzor]

Shula is still finding his own identity. If we could put this D with the offense from the last half of last season we'd be nasty.

 

i don't think he's finding his identity. i think the first couple weeks and his prior experiences at OC was his identity.

 

i think/hope he's evolving that identity into something that is actually competitive like week 3 and week 6 were.

 

he and rivera have very consiervative natures. both are risk adverse. i hope both have realized that not only will that not win games with this team, it also doesn't fit the strengths of this offense, esp. their QB.

 

[CarolinaCoolin]

I agree.

I don't understand why Luck can get all the assistance in the world and folks coming in from his college to teach him and no one is question his QB capabilities but with Cam anyone helping him is seen as an "issue" with him.

I think we both know the answer to that sadly. But the fact of the matter is cam doesn't even need to master all the techniques. Just simple improvements would take him a long when. Too bad we have nerd boy ken Dorsey teaching him.

[footballisasport]

Yea like how they talk about how clutch "Luck" is. Even tho he threw a game sealing pick last night

 

Yeah, I know.

 

I keep my tv on NFLN and they are already generating hype for the Colts vs. Bronco's game. Judging by an interview the Colts owner made today, the rumors of the Colts tanking their season to get Luck may not be rumors after all. The Colts Owner all but stated that he dumbed Peyton for Luck because he believes, based on the hype, that Luck can bring the Colts multiple SB rings. There is a reason why Luck cannot look like anything other than "The Chosen One." There is a reason why the new hype of him being even better than Peyton has become the new talking point.

 

As far as ur QB is concerned, if he takes this team to the SB and wins it all like he did with his college teams, I'll be happy. But, he needs help. He cannot do it by himself.

[CRA]

That's why it was qualified average to above average. Average on the low, above average on the high. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill. If you don't think dlo and smitty are atleast average players you are insane

You could say Byron Bell is somewhere between awful and above average.

I think they are both average based on the roles they are in presently. No need to give the high side window when it doesn't fit.

For a 20 carry RB, Williams is average in that role. 89 when asked to be the primary WR at 34 is average

[CRA]

I'm sure he believes DWill is average at best, while he would rate Stew as above average.

Just a wild guess.

I think both are overrated by our fanbase presently

A relatively healthy Stewart > a healthy Williams. Not sure we ever see a healthy Stewart though.

I'm in favor of moving on from both next year if possible

[footballisasport]

While it was completely fuging awesome, Cam's amazing rookie season was probably one of the worst things that could happen for a lot of the fans--and perhaps even Cam himself to a certain extent.  It made expectations extremely high and us forget just how raw he was when we drafted him.  And, while I love him to death and hate to say it... I think he bought into his own hype a bit after his rookie season (seriously, go watch some of his interviews from back then particularly the "safari" one and the Madden videos, etc.).  I mean I don't blame him a bit, he was a young kid on top of the world at the time coming off back-to-back National Championships, two undefeated seasons, a Heisman, a historical rookie campaign, the Pro Bowl, and endorsements out the wazoo.  All of it was pretty unprecedented.  He's definitely grown a lot since then.

 

It was generally accepted among the fanbase that he was going to be a project QB with ridiculous upside and potential for the future before we drafted him, and no one really expected him to do much his first year.  Yet there he goes guns-a-blazing from the get go and completely shattered all expectations of him going forward.  Now we're spoiled and expect him to be elite 5 games into his 3rd year.

 

The dude only had 1-year of D1 school experience, he pretty much jumped straight into the pros.  It's amazing what he's accomplished thus far, and he's still learning as opposed to other QBs who are more experienced and polished with their footwork, etc coming out.

 

Hell even still he's the best young QB in the game if you ask me.  He also is very serious about getting better, you can tell he legitimately wants to be one of the best and completely despises losing.

 

Cam has always had a natural confidence about him. He is a lot like Colin K. How is that a bad thing with him and not Colin?

 

Also, his rookie season was good and so was his second season. I remembered one of the NFLN guys last season, saying that Cam's second season as a QB was a season many QB Vets wouldn't mind having. But it's clear what is happening is, many are now intentionally meshing Cam personal accomplishment with the team's wins, so they can make their argument that "he's regressing" or whatever negative argument they want to make against him.

 

Cam is still the very talented kid he was in 2011 but this team is taking their time with building around him. The patchwork of building that is being done is both hurting him and thing team.

 

It seemed since the mid 2000's, the Panthers lacked a real solid core of players to build around, like with "elite teams" the Packers, and Patriots. A team cannot win consistantly if there isn't a core group of strong players to help keep the team going, while new players are added to help the team or younger players are rotated in and the older players rotated out. JMHO

[RelaxImaPro]

Cam has always had a natural confidence about him. He is a lot like Colin K. How is that a bad thing with him and not Colin?

 

Also, his rookie season was good and so was his second season. I remembered one of the NFLN guys last season, saying that Cam's second season as a QB was a season many QB Vets wouldn't mind having. But it's clear what is happening is, many are now intentionally meshing Cam personal accomplishment with the team's wins, so they can make their argument that "he's regressing" or whatever negative argument they want to make against him.

 

Cam is still the very talented kid he was in 2011 but this team is taking their time with building around him. The patchwork of building that is being done is both hurting him and thing team.

 

It seemed since the mid 2000's, the Panthers lacked a real solid core of players to build around, like with "elite teams" the Packers, and Patriots. A team cannot win consistantly if there isn't a core group of strong players to help keep the team going, while new players are added to help the team or younger players are rotated in and the older players rotated out. JMHO

 

No where did I say his confidence was a bad thing, in fact it's one of my favorite things about him, and honestly I couldn't care less about Colin Kaepernick.  I don't think Cam has regressed any since his rookie season, in fact I think he's progressed as I thought that was pretty clear in my post.  The offense around him as regressed since 2011, and the playcalling took a dive off of a cliff at the start of 2012.

 

All I was saying was that Cam was so good his rookie year a lot of fans expected him to be elite in year 2 and challenging Rodgers, Manning, etc. as best in the league by year 3-4.  That's not Cam's fault.

 

If you ask me Cam is coming along nicely, he's made obvious improvements to his game since he's been here.

[Razeyfingers]

I think both are overrated by our fanbase presently

A relatively healthy Stewart > a healthy Williams. Not sure we ever see a healthy Stewart though.

I'm in favor of moving on from both next year if possible

 

What does D'lo need to do a better job of on the field? If you want to say he's not all that then tell me why cause Im curious. It should be pretty obvious that Tolbert is getting a lot of TD carries that D'Lo wouldve gotten in prior years, but Tolbert would never be in position to score if D'Lo didnt help put them there.

 

There are many moments in a game where a great player will get you an extra couple here and there, or he might pop right back up after a big hit and still pound it right back unpredictably. I would say he keeps the ball secure but Im sure you'll overCRAwtfOUT the ones he's had. The last one was one of the worst I admit though.

 

 

edit: and dont tell me anyone can behind this offensive line because were ranked 8th. . lols they base a lot of that poo on how the RB is doing. . . 34.

[footballisasport]

No where did I say his confidence was a bad thing, in fact it's one of my favorite things about him, and honestly I couldn't care less about Colin Kaepernick.  I don't think Cam has regressed any since his rookie season, in fact I think he's progressed as I thought that was pretty clear in my post.  The offense around him as regressed since 2011, and the playcalling took a dive off of a cliff at the start of 2012.

 

All I was saying was that Cam was so good his rookie year a lot of fans expected him to be elite in year 2 and challenging Rodgers, Manning, etc. as best in the league by year 3-4.  That's not Cam's fault.

 

If you ask me Cam is coming along nicely, he's made obvious improvements to his game since he's been here.

 

Where did you read that in my post? My point was in regards to your statement on how some interpreted Cam's behavior.

 

And yes, he was good but the team still sucked. The difference between his rookie season and now is, Cam's accomplishments are now being measured in the context to the Panthers' wins, not just him being good alone.

[TheRumGone]

What does D'lo need to do a better job of on the field? If you want to say he's not all that then tell me why cause Im curious. It should be pretty obvious that Tolbert is getting a lot of TD carries that D'Lo wouldve gotten in prior years, but Tolbert would never be in position to score if D'Lo didnt help put them there.

 

 

it's just the contracts honestly. If we had somebody who was doing the same but cost 600k to a million there would be no problems

[CRA]

What does D'lo need to do a better job of on the field? If you want to say he's not all that then tell me why cause Im curious. It should be pretty obvious that Tolbert is getting a lot of TD carries that D'Lo wouldve gotten in prior years, but Tolbert would never be in position to score if D'Lo didnt help put them there.

There are many moments in a game where a great player will get you an extra couple here and there, or he might pop right back up after a big hit and still pound it right back unpredictably. I would say he keeps the ball secure but Im sure you'll overCRAwtfOUT the ones he's had. The last one was one of the worst I admit though.

edit: and dont tell me anyone can behind this offensive line because were ranked 8th. . lols they base a lot of that poo on how the RB is doing. . . 34.

Williams was all that.....he isn't at 30. He is just good. People overrate him now.

People also want hang onto guys too long.

Price matters ultimately...some can't acknowledge that. He was a bad deal. Hurts your team when you play for great and just get good with limitations

If Williams was cheap....I wouldn't complain about him being a decent roleplayer for 3 years