"Could Dave Gettleman's plans for the Panthers future not include Cam Newton"

[Ruff]

I'm am becoming increasingly convinced that Cam could run a WCO. More so than I thought two years ago.

Despite the current narrative Cam is a better QB than he was two years ago. Just because his stats aren't soaring doesn't mean he isn't getting better.

The WCO is built around having accuracy in the short passing game with a quick drop and release. Those are cam'a weaknesses.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Also, don't forget Newton doesn't fall into the old #1 pick handicap. He didn't come with a Sam Bradford type investment.

Bradford also hasnt played nearly as good as cam

[CRA]

Did the Bears get rid of Cutler when they hired Tressman? Did the Chargers get rid of Rivers when they hired McCoy?

You're being absurd.

I have done a breakdown before. It is just facts. Trends and what not are always meant to be broken....but it is what it is

Tressman is in year one. McCoy is In year one. Breakdown shows a three year window I which it happens.

I'll bump the old list and add the new coaches who qualify soon. Rivera and boys from 2011 would be the last coaching group on the list.

[TheRed]

I have done a breakdown before. It is just facts.

Tressman is in year one. McCoy is In year one. Breakdown shows a three year window I which it happens.

I'll bump the old list and add the new coaches who qualify soon.

So those guys didn't have another head coach before that? Cam is on his first head coach.

Let's not forget Sam Bradford and Fisher too.

[teeray]

The WCO is built around having accuracy in the short passing game with a quick drop and release. Those are cam'a weaknesses.

I don't think it as big of a weakness as it was two years ago. I think he would be fine.

Against Seattle they did that and he complete 70% of his passes with at least two drops.

I think his inaccuracy is greatly exaggerated.

[iamhubby1]

Ah the Huddle. Where the Cam disheartened can throw out baseless accusations, innuendo, and cherry picked stats to downplay Cam. Just so they can stump their wish to get rid of him.

You don't have to like Cam. You also don't have to make it your lifes mission to ridicule those that do like Cam. IF you truly see no growth from Cam, you have a bias and no argument will sway your line of thinking. Just don't expect many fans to follow your lead.

I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the Cam non-believers, and those that feel we need to move on already, are Madden playing kids with no history of football in their lives.

Blame Cam, do not take any rebuttal seriously, yup, that's how it is done.

I normally do not disparage fellow Huddlers. But if you actually want to get rid of Cam. You need to grow up, move out of your mothers basement, and join the real world. Because you sound like Cartman. A self-centered spoiled brat who only knows what he wants. Then resorts to hissy fits when you don't get your own way.

Quit comparing Cam to other QBs. He is not like any other QB. We have a unique talent, and we don't know how to use it properly. That is not Cam's fault.

Fugging kids. Cam isn't doing as well as I want, so I am going to throw a hissy until they do something about it. Too funny.

A complaint without a solution is just a bitch. And the Cam haterz take this to a new level.

[Ruff]

I don't think it as big of a weakness as it was two years ago. I think he would be fine.

Against Seattle they did that and he complete 70% of his passes with at least two drops.

I think his inaccuracy is greatly exaggerated.

The Seattle game was Cam in a traditional power run game offense, that relied on one the play action. Nowhere near what it would be like in a WCO.

[OneBadCat]

I think Cam can be and is in many ways a pocket passer. But right now I feel like he is trying to find himself as a QB. Finding the balance between his physical ability and his head and arm. What I find problematic is that it does seem that Shula is pressing him to be a pocket QB. There are times when it just seems like Cam needs to make a play. But that probably also means that the rest of the offense just isn't getting it done.

 

However I will not argue that Cam has been making mistakes. We have had WR's open in crucial moments where Cam simply does not see them. That is not a reflection of bad play calling. To be honest I like Shula's play calling for the most part but guys are not executing when we need them too.

 

I don't think Cam will ever be as heady of a QB like Peyton Manning but I see him potentially as like Brett Favre. A gun slinger who has the ability to exploit a defense with his knowledge of the game, mixed with his faith in his physical abilities to improvise and make plays.

[CRA]

So those guys didn't have another head coach before that? Cam is on his first head coach.

Let's not forget Sam Bradford and Fisher too.

Again, the breakdown that was done went like this

New coach

3 years into his job

QB change

Only exceptions had Super Bowl winning coaches

If Bradford last one more year...he would be an exception to the trend

Again, it just pointing out NFL history. History is meant to be broken. It was just one of those facts pointed out.

Reason I broke it all down was when I was arguing we should draft Newton. Bc all new HCs were bringing in someone within 3 years

[Ruff]

Ah the Huddle. Where the Cam disheartened can throw out baseless accusations, innuendo, and cherry picked stats to downplay Cam. Just so they can stump their wish to get rid of him.

You don't have to like Cam. You also don't have to make it your lifes mission to ridicule those that do like Cam. IF you truly see no growth from Cam, you have a bias and no argument will sway your line of thinking. Just don't expect many fans to follow your lead.

I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the Cam non-believers, and those that feel we need to move on already, are Madden playing kids with no history of football in their lives.

Blame Cam, do not take any rebuttal seriously, yup, that's how it is done.

I normally do not disparage fellow Huddlers. But if you actually want to get rid of Cam. You need to grow up, move out of your mothers basement, and join the real world. Because you sound like Cartman. A self-centered spoiled brat who only knows what he wants. Then resorts to hissy fits when you don't get your own way.

Quit comparing Cam to other QBs. He is not like any other QB. We have a unique talent, and we don't know how to use it properly. That is not Cam's fault.

Fugging kids. Cam isn't doing as well as I want, so I am going to throw a hissy until they do something about it. Too funny.

A complaint without a solution is just a bitch. And the Cam haterz take this to a new level.

This is actually the other side of the Cam argument, the Cam lovers. Throwing out posts commenting about how Cam is truly awesome and everyone must accept him or else be deemed a "hater".

IMO, this is even worse than the get rid of Cam posts.

[TheRed]

Again, the breakdown that was done went like this

New coach

3 years into his job

QB change

Only exceptions had Super Bowl winning coaches

If Bradford last one more year...he would be an exception to the trend

Again, it just pointing out NFL history. History is meant to be broken. It was just one of those facts pointed out.

Reason I broke it all down was when I was arguing we should draft Newton. Bc all new HCs were bringing in someone within 3 years

Obviously we aren't going to agree, but you're picking and choosing facts to fit your argument.

[CRA]

Obviously we aren't going to agree, but you're picking and choosing facts to fit your argument.

My statement is new HCs = QB change within 3 years

NFL history backs that.

Name an exception without a Super Bowl ring

[Ruff]

This is freaking from a Vikings fan when they were asked Cam Newton vs all three of their QBs combined:

Stats like these are meaningless, honestly. I don't care what some guy says our DUDE rating is, or what our HIGH TD ratio to plays per minute outside of the 40 yard lane and up by more or less than six points.

Everyone of us watch all of the games. We know what we see. It's not game-changing. We're seeing a guy struggle whether it be his, or forces he can't control, fault or not is hard to pinpoint. It seems like a giant clusterfug, and that's not a good state to be in.

[TheRed]

My statement is new HCs = QB change within 3 years

NFL history backs that.

Name an exception without a Super Bowl ring

I did, and you danced around it lol.

Tressman/Cutler - no ring. McCoy/Rivers - no ring. Fisher/Bradford - no ring.