"Could Dave Gettleman's plans for the Panthers future not include Cam Newton"

[ickmule]

If you really watched film you would understand how ignorant you sound. Also watch what Cam says, he knows his weakness and is improving on them. That's a sign of a great QB, not a good one.

Is Cam really improving on his weaknesses? He says all the right things, but so far I must be blind because I don't see improvement.

[CelibatePimp]

IMO, if we capitalize on most of our Drives, we can be good. We have been respectable on Offense, with flashes of greatness. I have been pleasantly surprised with our Offense. Because they have improved every week, and they seemed to be getting it.

We are very good at moving the ball between the 20s. Once we get into FG range, and the Red Zone, which used to be our bread and butter, we struggle. Hellz, we implode. WTF? Every time you think this is the drive it all comes together.

Nope...not this time sucker. WTF?

Seattle game? 6, minimum, WTF? plays that killed us.

Buffalo game? I can think of 5 WTF? plays on the last drive alone.

Giants game? 3 WTF? plays early, but cannot think of any happening later.

Cards game? Stopped counting at 6.

Ever since we failed to beat Bilicheat. The Football Gods have held a grudge. They tease us with glimpses of the good life. Then they WTF? us.

My point being. The sooner we beat the WTF? curse. The sooner we start to win. The PROBLEM becomes; Does anyone know how to unhex us?

 

We need a tall target in the endzone. Those end zone fade routes need a tall receiver due to the limited amount of field to work with. Eg the nicely thrown one to Lafell against the Giants. Also in general, due to smittys height disadvantage, balls thrown to him must go over the CB then drop to him and he must have ample separation (which he is not getting these days) for this to happen. This could be why we are not seeing many passes hitting him in stride to allow for YAC.

[whatever]

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=110

Remember, going into the 4th quarter we have been in every game--less than a TD or leading--There are lesser qb's on this list than Cam Newton.  Cam is somewhere in the bottom 12.  His QB rating is terrible in the fourth quarter---lower than the other 3 quarters when he had the same OL and WRs. 

 

Can you find QBs on this list with a weak line and below average WRs? 

 

Why is Cam worse in the fourth quarter?  Is it because the clock comes into play--adding pressure and eliminating his run option more?  2 minute drills do not feature much read option or even play action--it requires a QB to manage the game, sit in the pocket, read defenses, etc.

 

2-14 is no coincidence.  If we are to win, we better wrap it up in the first 3 quarters.

 

Stop blaming the OL and WRs--sure they could be better.  Manning is 37 years old and his LT and C are out for the year.  His other linemen are castoffs and low draft picks.  His WR corps is average at best. Sure he added Weiker, but Smitty is better.  Was Lafell better than Decker 2 years ago?  About the same. Manning has a speed WR with a history of inconsistent hands.  We have Ginn, a first round pick.  Why is Mannng's qb rating 149 in the fourth quarter and Cam can't crack the top 20? 

 

Must be the coaching, the oline, the unusual amount of rain we got this summer, the government lock down, Jupiter and Uranus are aligned, racism, and the fact that we don't wear all black enough.

 

This offseason:  Manning was watching hundreds of hours of film and developing chemistry with his WRs by throwing to them.

What was Cam doing?  Leading the crowd at Auburn basketball games. Icon and entertainer, yes.  Franchise QB?  What makes anyone think he is?

 

Now ignore the stats that matter (QB rating, wins/losses) and blame external variables that you cannot prove.  I assure you that Gettlemen will not do that.

 

Denver's WRs are "average, at best"? are you seriously that dense? they have one of the best receivings corps in the league.

 

[footballisasport]

The "7 second pause" that I think you're referring to seemed like exaggeration for effect by the writer that originated the claim (I can't remember if it was Pat Y or Person or who it was, I just seem to recall it wasn't someone I had any respect for as a writer or journalist).  I don't think whoever came up with that number had a stopwatch and timed the pause, I think he was exaggerating a minor pause that Gettleman made to formulate how he wanted to respond to a question with the intent of adding a non-existent dramatic effect to the actually very normal practice of pausing before answering a question to gather your thoughts.  We all know that NO ONE ever makes something out of nothing for the purpose of sensationalizing a story in the sports journalist world, right?

 

I don't think Gettleman plans to replace Cam any time in the near future.  If Cam suddenly regresses and just can't seem to get it back together, do I think Gettleman will hesitate to replace him?  Absolutely not.  But I think he's been around football enough to recognize the problem with our offense is lack of playmakers at WR and lack of competency in the big guys.

 

Gentleman has worked with Eli. Eli is a lot like Cam, minus the strenght and running ability. They both tend to go for broke when pressure hits them.

 

What I find is, everyone on here seems to know or believe they have a concern with Cam and what he is doing or not doing right  but no one seems to have an answer for the rest of the team. Cam is only one person. Almost every thread on him have endless responses as to what may be his problem but the truth is, he isn't the Panthers real problem.

[footballisasport]

Denver's WRs are "average, at best"? are you seriously that dense? they have one of the best receivings corps in the league.

 

 

So true.

 

I honestly believe some folks on this site either don't watch other teams play or do so with Panthers' team glasses on. In other words, they are not being very objective.

[footballisasport]

Is Cam really improving on his weaknesses? He says all the right things, but so far I must be blind because I don't see improvement.

 

I guess some of you need the media to sit and disect the Panthers as a whole like they do other teams and your QB. Then some of you can sit and see if the team is improving in those areas like you do with Cam.

[footballisasport]

IMO, if we capitalize on most of our Drives, we can be good. We have been respectable on Offense, with flashes of greatness. I have been pleasantly surprised with our Offense. Because they have improved every week, and they seemed to be getting it.

We are very good at moving the ball between the 20s. Once we get into FG range, and the Red Zone, which used to be our bread and butter, we struggle. Hellz, we implode. WTF? Every time you think this is the drive it all comes together.

Nope...not this time sucker. WTF?

Seattle game? 6, minimum, WTF? plays that killed us.

Buffalo game? I can think of 5 WTF? plays on the last drive alone.

Giants game? 3 WTF? plays early, but cannot think of any happening later.

Cards game? Stopped counting at 6.

Ever since we failed to beat Bilicheat. The Football Gods have held a grudge. They tease us with glimpses of the good life. Then they WTF? us.

My point being. The sooner we beat the WTF? curse. The sooner we start to win. The PROBLEM becomes; Does anyone know how to unhex us?

 

 

it's funny u posted this because I remembered watching the Panthers in the SB. I saw how close of a lost that was. I noticed the team, how many years later, pretty much failing to close out games when they need too, just like they did during the 2003 SB. I seriously wonder if this team does have some sort of mental block?  But how many on this team was part of the 2003 team or is it just the over all Karma of this team that keeps them from breaking through and winning when they should?

[JawnyBlaze]

People saying Cam hasn't shown any improvement simply aren't watching games or have already made up their minds they want him to fail. His rookie year one out of every ten passes or so would sail three feet over the intended target's head. This year those sailed passes are almost non existent. His rookie year he would force throws into bad coverage leading to 19 (if my memory serves me) interceptions. Year two that was down to 12 and this year I believe he's on pace for either 12 again or 15 (can't remember if he has four or five right now) and at least two of those were desperation throws at the end of games trying to catch up due to being in a situation that bad game planning and coaching put him in. He's also fumbling less. I think he's had one so far? Just in the Cards game when he was being hit every other passing attempt.

TLDR: Cam is improving, despite what some "fans" might claim.

[mc52beast]

Cam Newton is not a "pocket passer"... he wasn't when he got here and he won't be when he retires. If it is true that DG and Co are trying to turn Cam into something he isn't, then you can rest assured we will have a new signal caller very soon.

[Estrada]

IMO, if we capitalize on most of our Drives, we can be good. We have been respectable on Offense, with flashes of greatness. I have been pleasantly surprised with our Offense. Because they have improved every week, and they seemed to be getting it.

We are very good at moving the ball between the 20s. Once we get into FG range, and the Red Zone, which used to be our bread and butter, we struggle. Hellz, we implode. WTF? Every time you think this is the drive it all comes together.

Nope...not this time sucker. WTF?

Seattle game? 6, minimum, WTF? plays that killed us.

Buffalo game? I can think of 5 WTF? plays on the last drive alone.

Giants game? 3 WTF? plays early, but cannot think of any happening later.

Cards game? Stopped counting at 6.

Ever since we failed to beat Bilicheat. The Football Gods have held a grudge. They tease us with glimpses of the good life. Then they WTF? us.

My point being. The sooner we beat the WTF? curse. The sooner we start to win. The PROBLEM becomes; Does anyone know how to unhex us?

 

So did this hex cost us the playoff game against the Cards? We haven't been over .500 since that game, and I think we have never gotten over that loss. At least after the Pats loss we had another chance to get the Superbowl in '05. What drives me crazy about the last two years is losing games we could have won. Losing is losing, but 2-14 in games decided by 7 points or less is ridiculous. 

[TheRed]

Point?

There were a number of better players on the board. Time will tell, but right now it looks like an awful pick. When you combine this with our piss poor effort of building around Cam through the draft (zero active starters on offense since Cam was drafted) it's even worse.

[Snake]

I don't think it as big of a weakness as it was two years ago. I think he would be fine.

Against Seattle they did that and he complete 70% of his passes with at least two drops.

I think his inaccuracy is greatly exaggerated.

More like sheer lied about now. His biggest problem is his mechanics and it seems no one is teaching him otherwise.

[Snake]

Is Cam really improving on his weaknesses? He says all the right things, but so far I must be blind because I don't see improvement.

His ball placement from game 1 to 3 has gotten much better his audibles have been very good as well. Honestly you can't really see what's going on unless you have rewind with coaches film. I could say more but really don't need to write a page.

[Guest KingKam]

You guys are asshole. This is a rebuilding franchise, idiots. Cam needs to move north. The south is not healthy for him.