"Could Dave Gettleman's plans for the Panthers future not include Cam Newton"

[Ruff]

Trading Cam Newton at this point would likely be the dumbest move in the history of a franchise that is notorious for dumb moves.

People who think this should even be on the table have no sense of history in the development of young QBs.

It would take 3 1st round draft picks and a legit starting player for me to even think about it and even answer the phone.

I am still not sure what people are expecting of Newton at this stage of his career. He is right where he should be but still has a ways to go. If anyone thinks that this is a guy at this point should be carrying a dysfunctional team on his back to a bunch of wins, the you are llikely going to think every QB ever that we may ever draft is not playing well enough after their third season.

I'm sorry, I meant 4 games into their third season

When I say I would field offers, it would be have to be a Herschel Walker type deal. It would take multiple firsts, multiple seconds, and basically an entire draft one year for a team.

No one would do it, of course, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

[thefuzz]

Fans want to trade Cam, but they are going to wait while a franchise who has yet to competently develop a quarterback, develops a completely new one? The grass isn't always greener, if we actually built around Cam to begin with this wouldn't be a problem.

Yet somehow bringing in another guy is going to magically correct this franchises glaring problems, and they don't begin with the QB.

 

 

Honestly man, there are like 3 posters that talk about wanting to trade Cam.

[teeray]

No one would do it, of course, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

That is kinda my point, the amount it would take to even consider the offer is something no team would ever offer so it is a mute point.

We should be more concerned with getting him extended and surrounding him with guys that can make him better while he develops to a point where maybe, just maybe he is good enough to carry the team.

And as far as coaching right now goes, if he really is pressing and trying to do too much, incorporate some things to take some of that burden off of his shoulders.

Instead of just shrugging and saying "If he plays well we play well" Start looking for ways to change that to "Even if he doesn't play lights out we can still play well as a team"

We need to figure out a way to be successful besides hoping our young QB plays great. Because all young QBs have bad games. Every one. The difference is good teams figure out ways to win those games. Bad teams say "Well if Cam was as good as 10 year elite vets we would have won". No poo. He isn't as good as those guys yet so we have to find other ways to win those games.

[AceBoogie]

You take Cam off this team and you get the jaguars. Cam is the only reason the Carolina Panthers get any media attention at all. Without Cam Steve Smith was on his way to retirement, Ted Ginn was a bust and Greg Olsen an outcast of the Bears.

Cam Newton has brought life back to a lackluster fan base and has restored a few careers in the process. He got Chudzinski a head coaching job.

You get rid of Cam Newton it's not only bad football sense it's bad business sense. Electrifying guys like Cam Newton don't come along every day.

Get rid of Cam Newton and it will be 20+ years before Carolina even sniffs a playoff birth. They will go through coach after coach gm after gm searching for success looking for a savior. The savior is already here his name is Cameron Newton.

Everywhere Cam Newton has ever been he's won. Until he came here. You build around him. You give him weapons, you protect him, give him a coach that can help him grow as a player. Then you analyze him. That's what good teams do. You don't throw him to the side because he couldn't get it done by himself. That's insane.

Every young qb makes mistakes and goes through growing pains. Cams no different, he's not immune to setbacks and mistakes. The difference is he doesn't have the talent around him to compensate and masks his short comings. Everything he does is out in the open.

If this team doesn't want to go all in on Cam the best thing for him and this football team is to let him go.

I will always be a Panther fan no matter who is under center, but I would instantly root for any team Cam Newton played for.

[AceBoogie]

That's not fair. There's a reason why GMs are tapping Division-II as a resource nowadays. Don't forget, Star, Cam, Silatolu and Smitty all transferred and/or were drafted from community colleges. I don't know if Kugzilla will live up to the fourth round expectations (sarcasm) but he's got dominating intangibles and a great work ethic (was living in a hut at one point -- great motivator). Let's be a little more patient.

Eh Cam started out at Florida. And even then there where rumors that he outplayed The Golden Calf of Bristol in practice. Don't blame them for Starting The Golden Calf of Bristol tho. One of the greatest college qbs ever

[Ruff]

He did but had Auburn not picked him up, I still think someone would have drafted Cam in 2011 or 2012 like they did with Kaepernick.

But Kaep went to a legitimate FBS school. It wasn't like he went to Blinn juco.

[TheRed]

That's not fair. There's a reason why GMs are tapping Division-II as a resource nowadays. Don't forget, Star, Cam, Silatolu and Smitty all transferred and/or were drafted from community colleges. I don't know if Kugzilla will live up to the fourth round expectations (sarcasm) but he's got dominating intangibles and a great work ethic (was living in a hut at one point -- great motivator). Let's be a little more patient.

It isn't fair to our offense that a 4th round pick we reached for is on IR for the year.

Quintin Patton was still on the board when we drafted Kugbila, and we had an obvious need at receiver. Still do.

[Ruff]

Nevada isn't a D2 school but I seem to remember 49er fans giving the Niner front office hell for 'over-drafting' Colin in the second round. Many of them thought he was a 3rd or 4th round talent.

Yeah, I changed it to FBS after seeing I posted the wrong thing. Lol.

[AceBoogie]

The fact is Cam is still playing with "jakes guys". We did more for Jimmy fuging Clausen than we have for Cam. Drafting Lafell, Gettis, and Ae. Now it didn't work out but at least the attempt was there.

Rivera has only wanted to build a defense while surrounding Cam with washed ups, and shoulda beens.

[TheRed]

Ok, and what impact has Patton made? Nothing. He fractured his foot. So how can you judge Kugbila for being on IR?

Compared to what? We're talking about a broken foot here.

Kugbila practiced all of what, one or two times? Then we threw in the towel and he went to IR, over a hamstring.

[iamhubby1]

Again, the breakdown that was done went like this

New coach

3 years into his job

QB change

Only exceptions had Super Bowl winning coaches

If Bradford last one more year...he would be an exception to the trend

Again, it just pointing out NFL history. History is meant to be broken. It was just one of those facts pointed out.

Reason I broke it all down was when I was arguing we should draft Newton. Bc all new HCs were bringing in someone within 3 years

My statement is new HCs = QB change within 3 years

NFL history backs that.

Name an exception without a Super Bowl ring

You perceive a trend, HC changing QB within 3 years, then try to apply it too the Panthers. There were 8 new coaches this year. In 3 years, how many QBs do you imagine them going through? Plenty I tell ya' what.

I guess it comes down to value. Do you value Cam enough to pick a HC who will promise to develop him? Or do you value a HC who thinks he does not need Cam to win.? Um...If I have Cam, you would have to pry him out of my cold dead hands to get him away from me.

How about you name me a coach who ever got lucky enough to begin his career with a new team have a Cam? Only in WTF? land can we have a QB like Cam, and still can't win? Who does that? With our Defense? WTF?

 

 

Stats like these are meaningless, honestly. I don't care what some guy says our DUDE rating is, or what our HIGH TD ratio to plays per minute outside of the 40 yard lane and up by more or less than six points.

Everyone of us watch all of the games. We know what we see. It's not game-changing. We're seeing a guy struggle whether it be his, or forces he can't control, fault or not is hard to pinpoint. It seems like a giant clusterfug, and that's not a good state to be in.

I see a QB that has had 1, count em', 1 bad quarter this year. Maybe your idea of strggle is harsher than mine, cuz Cam has played well this year. Until the 4th quarter last week. We have moved the ball on every D we have met. You do not accomplish that with a struggling QB. Well...we could run the ball more, but that is another thread.

Quite comparing Cam to other QBs. Give him the time and resources he needs to succeed. He will show you what revolutionizing the QB position really means.

Anyone who can look at Cam, and not see a winner? Just quit... I mean...just quit.

With that said. WTF? is going on? Why can't we win... with Cam?

[unicar15]

I think Cam is making it easy for Gettlemen to plan for life without Cam. He hasn't improved AT ALL from his first year in the league. He is no more accurate than he was 3 years ago and that is a big problem. There are a lot of pocket passers coming out this year. Honestly I like McCarron the most out of all of them. He's a proven winner (even tho his talent around him is amazing) and he's an accurate passer. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we spend a high pick on a QB this year. Especially if we bring in a coach who wants to run a more conventional offense. Gettlemen wants an Eli...He was there when Eli won super bowls and its what he knows works.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Fans want to trade Cam, but they are going to wait while a franchise who has yet to competently develop a quarterback, develops a completely new one? The grass isn't always greener, if we actually built around Cam to begin with this wouldn't be a problem.

Yet somehow bringing in another guy is going to magically correct this franchises glaring problems, and they don't begin with the QB.

Thats what ive been trying to say but they still dont get it

[iamhubby1]

Considering that Shula failed to adjust to the five and six man rushes and our O-Line having miscommunication after miscommunication, I think the blame shouldn't solely placed on Cam for that loss. Did he make crappy decisions? Yep. Did he get ANY help from his coaching staff, weapons and protection? No.

IMO, if we capitalize on most of our Drives, we can be good. We have been respectable on Offense, with flashes of greatness. I have been pleasantly surprised with our Offense. Because they have improved every week, and they seemed to be getting it.

We are very good at moving the ball between the 20s. Once we get into FG range, and the Red Zone, which used to be our bread and butter, we struggle. Hellz, we implode. WTF? Every time you think this is the drive it all comes together.

Nope...not this time sucker. WTF?

Seattle game? 6, minimum, WTF? plays that killed us.

Buffalo game? I can think of 5 WTF? plays on the last drive alone.

Giants game? 3 WTF? plays early, but cannot think of any happening later.

Cards game? Stopped counting at 6.

Ever since we failed to beat Bilicheat. The Football Gods have held a grudge. They tease us with glimpses of the good life. Then they WTF? us.

My point being. The sooner we beat the WTF? curse. The sooner we start to win. The PROBLEM becomes; Does anyone know how to unhex us?