Cam dissapoints in first quarter of season- NFL article

[Lloyd Christmas]

LOL...I stopped posting after the Tampa game last year because of the overwhelming lunacy on this board.

 

It is becoming the same thing again this year.

 

It is really hard to read post after post by crybabies...

 

We have the worst coaches in the history of the NFL...

We have the worst OL in the history of the NFL...

We have absolutely NO talent outside of Cam Newton

It goes on and on...

 

Cam Newton finished 15th in passing in 2011

Cam Newton finished 15th is passing in 2012

Cam Newton is 25th in passing this season

If Cam Newton does not finish at or near the top 10 in passing this year, in an offense that has been simplified for his benefit...

The Panthers will be drafting a QB next season. Bank it.

So do you think we'll make a run for Branchwater, or maybe even Bryn Renner?

[The Huddler]

Most passing yards in first two seasons than any QB in the history of the NFL..

Holy poo we need a new QB

[iamhubby1]

In Peyton's 4th season he was 6-10 as a starter, had a similar TD%, and a worse INT% as Cam this season.

Brees after his third season was essentially run out of SD.

The year Eli won his first Super Bowl in his fouth season near the end of the season the NY Post called him Eli the Terrible after a couple of bad games and losses that made their playoff chances unlikely.

There are numerous other examples

Most QBs don't start really clicking until around their 5th or 6th season.

The idea that Cam should be good enough to win in spite of the surrounding cast is something that most QBs in history couldn't do by this point in their careers.

As I have said before, we need to surround him with people who will make him look better than he really is until he has the experience to make them look better than they really are.

Doesn't mean that Cam will be as good as those guys, but he is going to be a lot better than he is right now, and he is pretty damn good (albeit short of elite) already.

Cam did pick the wrong time to have a bad game. A game that could have meant a lot towards our season. It is a bit disconcerting at the timing of said bad game. We need to win, Cam has a bad game, folks can't wait to blame Cam. Pretty much par for the course around here.

A game that we put up 400 yards of offense in the first 3 quarters. This Offense has moved the ball, against some pretty good Defenses I might add. But for some odd reason, we have trouble scoring points. TD specifically.

Some WTF? moment rears its ugly head, and another promising drive is stalled. Until we can rid ourselves of the WTF?its, we are doomed for mediocrity.

Cam can continue to amaze us Weekly. Keekly can make us forget about Beast. We can do everything in our power to prepare for, and to win, football games. It won't matter. WTF? will always come into play.

So imho, getting rid of the WTF? is priority 1. Any suggestions?

[Estrada]

I really don't understand why we have to argue for or against Cam. There have been so many threads on this subject and all for nothing. Was AZ a bad game for Cam? Sure it was; it was bad for the whole offense. Bottom line, he is our QB. Why anyone wants to give up on him is beyond me. We went 2-14, got the #1 overall pick, and we took him. I understand having reservations, but wanting someone else at this point is ridiculous. He is our compensation for that terrible season; I don't think we should give up on him just yet. If we do, then not only did we go 2-14, we got nothing in exchange for it, and it was all for nothing. This, in part, is the reason I will not give up on him. Other than the fact that Hurney went out and hired the most incompetent coach I've ever seen. I want to see what happens with Cam in the Gettleman era with the coach he hires. If he fails to deliver with a quality coach, fine. But until then, he's my QB, and should be everyone else's. Patience people.   

[jarhead]

This Cam hate is getting old. By now most of us know Cam's issues but lets face it he is our QB this year and next at a minimum.  Our offensive woes go beyond Cam. Quite frankly I am disappointed in the coaching for the play calling and the GM for not surrounding him with talent and protection. I am also disappointed in the execution of our WRs. 

 

Cam has not executed well but he did not drop those passes either. Our offense has not clicked and looked lame since preseason. Plenty of blame to go around to others as well.

 

The bigger question is how do you evaluate Cams potential going into his contract year given the coaching and talent we have had surrounding him?

[BIGH2001]

In Peyton's 3rd season he threw 33 TDS and 15 INTs.

In Brees 3rd season he threw 27 TDS and 7 INTs

Brady's third season was 23 TDS and 12 INTs

Flaccos 3rd season was 25 TDS and 10 INTs (who were his "weapons")

Brett Favre's 3rd season was 33 TDS and 14 INTs.

Tony Romo's 3rd season was 26 TDS and 14 INTs in only 13 games played.

In Peyton's 4th season he was 6-10 as a starter, had a similar TD%, and a worse INT% as Cam this season.

Brees after his third season was essentially run out of SD.

The year Eli won his first Super Bowl in his fouth season near the end of the season the NY Post called him Eli the Terrible after a couple of bad games and losses that made their playoff chances unlikely.

There are numerous other examples

Most QBs don't start really clicking until around their 5th or 6th season.

The idea that Cam should be good enough to win in spite of the surrounding cast is something that most QBs in history couldn't do by this point in their careers.

As I have said before, we need to surround him with people who will make him look better than he really is until he has the experience to make them look better than they really are.

Doesn't mean that Cam will be as good as those guys, but he is going to be a lot better than he is right now, and he is pretty damn good (albeit short of elite) already.

[jarhead]

We have an Elite WR. But these days your "Elite" Targets need to be over 6'2" to be dominant. (Calvin Johnson - 6'5", Julio Jones 6'3", Jimmy Graham 6'7", Jordy Nelson 6'3", Vincent Jackson 6'5", Brandon Marshall 6'4") i think my point is made

 We now have a MCNUTT.....problem solved

[teeray]

In Peyton's 3rd season he threw 33 TDS and 15 INTs.

In Brees 3rd season he threw 27 TDS and 7 INTs

Brady's third season was 23 TDS and 12 INTs

Flaccos 3rd season was 25 TDS and 10 INTs (who were his "weapons")

Brett Favre's 3rd season was 33 TDS and 14 INTs.

Tony Romo's 3rd season was 26 TDS and 14 INTs in only 13 games played.

Cam Newton year 2:

27 total TDs 12 INTs. Cam also is on pace for 28 TDs this season.

So what is your point?

My point was that the natural progression of QBs is one of fits and starts. Fast forward on more year for Peyton and Brees and what happens?

Peyton has a rough aeason in year 4 with a higher INT% than Cam has ever had in his career and was 6-10.

Brees that next season was run out of town. By the way, i think you actually mean Brees' third year as a starter, because actually his third year in the league he was 2-9 in 11 starts and also had a higher INT rate than Cam has ever had in his career and had more INTs than TDs. He was then run out of SD after his 5th season in the league.

They aren't the only examples, but Cam is doing fine. He is where he should be. But he isn't good enough yet where he should be asked to carry the team. Just like those guys shouldn't have been asked to and just like those guys couldn't do early in their careers.

[mav1234]

anyone else remember a few short seasons ago when people were calling for Flacco's head because he wasn't able to "win when it mattered"?

[MichaelNewtonII]

lol

 We now have a MCNUTT.....problem solved

 

[fjblair]

The article is spot on.

It is spot on and most objective opinion would suggest that cam newton is not progressing as well as expected. . He is still inconsistent and slow with his reads and progressions. I think he will become a great nfl QB and will lead teams to wins in those close games but he ain't there yet.

[BigBoss]

In Peyton's 4th season he was 6-10 as a starter, had a similar TD%, and a worse INT% as Cam this season.

Brees after his third season was essentially run out of SD.

The year Eli won his first Super Bowl in his fouth season near the end of the season the NY Post called him Eli the Terrible after a couple of bad games and losses that made their playoff chances unlikely.

There are numerous other examples

Most QBs don't start really clicking until around their 5th or 6th season.

The idea that Cam should be good enough to win in spite of the surrounding cast is something that most QBs in history couldn't do by this point in their careers.

As I have said before, we need to surround him with people who will make him look better than he really is until he has the experience to make them look better than they really are.

Doesn't mean that Cam will be as good as those guys, but he is going to be a lot better than he is right now, and he is pretty damn good (albeit short of elite) already.

 

Okay be real, you cant just skip over Peytons 13 and 10 win season just to get to his 6 win season. Tom Brady, lol, he only won the dang super bowl his first real season. Drew may have been run out, but his team had a 12-4 record and it was all because they spent their first overall pick on Rivers that he got "run out". Eli? Who cares what the NY post said about him, he won the super bowl. Would you care if ESPN slammed Cam if he had us at 3-1? Especially if he was busy winning us super bowls?

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I think that by now he should lifting us up somewhat. It truly is not all on him. One game we put up 7 points and another game we put only 6 points. Part of that should certainly be on Cam. Our only win? Against the Giants of all teams and it doesn't get much worse (Jags), thank God we didn't lose that.

 

Idk, I've campaigned hard for Cam the past two years but felt like now is the time we start talking about wins, not stats. Again, I ask how long do we wait for the winning?

 

I guess I'm impatient, with so much losing this team is accustomed to. One playoff game since 2006... is that really acceptable? I know you don't think that. I'm ready to win now... it's just old all the losing ugh.

 

 

[BigBoss]

Are you blaming the Seattle loss, where we never got the ball back after DWill (NOT Cam) fumbled the ball, on Cam? Or the Bills game where our defense allowed a rookie to drive right down the field in the last minute?

 

Anyways

 

Andrew Luck 5 games, 9TD and 62% comp

R Wilson 5 games, 8TD and 58% comp

Cam Newton 4 games, 7TD and 58% comp

 

None of those three are superior stats, but the difference is that two out of those have winning teams. I would argue that their teams are winning despite their stats.

 

I do think Cam could have played better, but it should be pretty obvious I'm much more saying that Russel finds ways to win the game for his team.

[footballisasport]

The media desire to ruin Cam is in full swing. Last year, around this time he was in a "slump." Now, he's worst than the two new Rookies. By this time next year, Cam should be forced out of the NFL. In the meantime, the Jags will still be trying to helping the media chosen QB, Blaine Gabbert fix his accuracy and footwork issues.

BTW, I wonder how is Luck's accuracy and footwork? Amazing how his QB mecganics aren't made into big issues everytime he throws a bad ball.