PFF- Panthers have #8 ranked oline after Q1 of season

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Hmmm... For some reason I don't fully trust PFF's calculations...

 

 

[rodeo]

And for a QB that takes way to long to go through his progressions. The two together (long developing plays and a QB who takes too long) is a big issue.

 

I don't know if he takes long to go through his progressions, or if his progressions are "Smith is covered. Olsen is covered. Crap I'm sacked."

[bigskypanthersguy]

The receivers we had this year--Gettis, Ginn, Barner to a degree, maybe Smith still--are probably most dangerous in space.  To not call plays to their strengths is simple idiocy.  Why in the love of FSM we don't call curl routes, slants, even more routes near the sidelines...anything like a 3 to 5 step drop...it just boggles my mind.  Gettis may have sucked, maybe he wasn't healed, maybe his mind wasn't where it needed to be, but we never got to see him do anything in a real game to prove that.  Edwards being kept on the roster accomplished nothing, but then, neither do many of our drives.  

[MadHatter]

I don't know if he takes long to go through his progressions, or if his progressions are "Smith is covered. Olsen is covered. Crap I'm sacked."

Probably some of both.

Cam still has work to do speeding up his reads...but to help compensate for that, we should shorted the routes and go to more quick hitting pass plays.

Help Cam out while he works to improve.

[nickzz]

Probably some of both.

Cam still has work to do speeding up his reads...but to help compensate for that, we should shorted the routes and go to more quick hitting pass plays.

Help Cam out while he works to improve.

 

if you watch the other dual threat QBs this is exactly what happens. our staff just hasn't recognized it i guess.

 

it does seem like cam is held to a higher standard than anyone else, even as a rookie he was scrutinized for some boneheaded picks.

[Happy Panther]

Probably some of both.

Cam still has work to do speeding up his reads...but to help compensate for that, we should shorted the routes and go to more quick hitting pass plays.

Help Cam out while he works to improve.

 

He also locks in too much but has been better at times.

[Riverboat Ron]

Maybe the O-line is just that good and Shula is just that bad. 

[Kuech the Sneak]

There's a good chance that they're blaming quite a bit of the sacks on cam, holds the ball for such a long time sometimes. My biggest issue with him is that he doesn't seem to go through reads very well

[TonyN]

Last season the median time a QB had to throw before being sacked was 3.23 seconds.

 

Take your stopwatch and review Sunday's game. How many times was Newton sacked in fewer than 3.23 seconds???

 

Stop with this baloney about Shula's slow developing pass plays.

 

It is nonsense.

 

Cam Newton alters the play at the line around 70% of the time according to the coaching staff.

 

When Newton sees the blitz coming HE has to adjust. He has to make a call at the line to go to a quick hitting pass play or run a draw or a screen.

 

Newton just refuses to "take what the defense gives him" on a consistent basis. Either that, or he just can't recognize it.

 

[xav8tor]

Look at the offensive schemes of many of the elites and high performing young QB's.  In every case they have a set of quick pass plays good for 5 to 8 yards a pop, usually with more than one guy to hit.  We've all seen Manning, Brady, et al absolutely carve up defenses this way, moving 80 yards in two minutes, seemingly with no effort.  Why can't we at least try that?  The only explanation I've ever seen is that this isn't Cam's strong point, which makes no sense whatsoever.  Teach him, coach him, whatever it takes, if that's the case.

[mav1234]

Last season the median time a QB had to throw before being sacked was 3.23 seconds.

 

Take your stopwatch and review Sunday's game. How many times was Newton sacked in fewer than 3.23 seconds???

 

Stop with this baloney about Shula's slow developing pass plays.

 

It is nonsense.

 

Cam Newton alters the play at the line around 70% of the time according to the coaching staff.

 

When Newton sees the blitz coming HE has to adjust. He has to make a call at the line to go to a quick hitting pass play or run a draw or a screen.

 

Newton just refuses to "take what the defense gives him" on a consistent basis. Either that, or he just can't recognize it.

 

yes you're right he refused to take what the defense was giving him when kalil/wharton decided not to block a DT or when whatever the fug happened on that strip/fumble happened.

 

neither one of those plays had any time to develop, cam wasn't holding the ball too long.

 

yes, you're right - there were some coverage sacks where Cam shoulda thrown the ball away, but there were also many where he basically got hit or harassed during his drop back.

[JawnyBlaze]

Last season the median time a QB had to throw before being sacked was 3.23 seconds.

Take your stopwatch and review Sunday's game. How many times was Newton sacked in fewer than 3.23 seconds???

Stop with this baloney about Shula's slow developing pass plays.

It is nonsense.

Cam Newton alters the play at the line around 70% of the time according to the coaching staff.

When Newton sees the blitz coming HE has to adjust. He has to make a call at the line to go to a quick hitting pass play or run a draw or a screen.

Newton just refuses to "take what the defense gives him" on a consistent basis. Either that, or he just can't recognize it.

The reason most of Cam's sacks take longer than 3.23 seconds is he's usually able to avoid the quick sacks but gets chased down sometimes while trying to elude the pressure that was there WELL quicker than 3.23 sacks. As others have said if Cam wasn't so mobile and elusive his sack numbers would be astronomical.

[TonyN]

The reason most of Cam's sacks take longer than 3.23 seconds is he's usually able to avoid the quick sacks but gets chased down sometimes while trying to elude the pressure that was there WELL quicker than 3.23 sacks. As others have said if Cam wasn't so mobile and elusive his sack numbers would be astronomical.

 

I invite you to replay the game with a stopwatch.

 

Do so and tell me how many times Newton had fewer than 3.23 seconds to throw on Sunday.

 

What was really suprising is how many times the Cards called delayed blitzs right up the middle and Newton responded, not by rolling out, but by just standing in the pocket and taking the sack.

 

Cam Newton does not seem to like to let his receivers make plays after the catch.

 

He seems unwilling to audible to a safe, quick hitting play...you know the kind of play that guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have built their careers on.

 

Newton would rather throw a 30 yard laser into double coverage than opt for a quick pass to the flat.

 

He likes to look good. He really, really likes to look like the best player on the field...every single play.

 

[CPcavedweller]

Well, Silo is out so now what? It's going to be scary guys. I believe the offensive line crumbled after that injury.