The Thing People are Forgetting About Cam vs Other Young QBs...

[HPPantherzfan]

well aside from everything you said being entirely inaccurate, why are you comparing cam newton, a 3rd year dual threat qb, to 3 hall of fame qbs and 3 of the best qbs in history?

Would you like to compare the wins / losses of their first 3 years to Cams?  We can do that too

 

Also, please list my inaccuracies there, only way to not be dense anymore is to be taught right?  Teach me

[frash.exe]

I agree, it is coachable, but that is my question and where I'm lost. Those issues are issues that he has supposedly been working on since he got in the league. Is it the coaches who fail to coach him or is it him? Everyone keeps blaming the coaches and the scheme and this and that but is that truly it? And yes, everyone misses passes now and then but I highly doubt anyone can argue against Cams accuracy not being that great. And where all of these post started form, someone ask if he was better today then he was when get started.

I don't speak for everyone here on this, but i'm not giving Cam a pass because I just like him so much, but his mechanics look worse this year than they did last year and I don't think it's because he just forgot how to play football. I'm giving him a pass because he has a guy coaching him positionally who has literally never done that before and a guy coaching offense who has never done a good job at it.

[HPPantherzfan]

I don't speak for everyone here on this, but i'm not giving Cam a pass because I just like him so much, but his mechanics look worse this year than they did last year and I don't think it's because he just forgot how to play football. I'm giving him a pass because he has a guy coaching him positionally who has literally never done that before and a guy coaching offense who has never done a good job at it.

At least you defend your reason with something beside anyone that thinks Cam isn't superman is an idiot.  

 

Personally, I don't know if I agree with the coaching being that bad and only because he has worked with other coaches / trainers in the off seasons and he still has the same issues.  That doesn't mean I don't think he can learn and get the mechanics right I just wonder why he hasn't.  Until can get get those right he will always be very inaccurate and very streaky.  

[Fox007]

Carson Palmer didn't play 1 snap his rookie year, Jon Kitna did

Alex Smith didn't start his rookie year until week 4

Eli Manning didn't start until week 10

Russell didn't start until week 12

 

The trend, typically was to sit first pick QBs and then replace it ie those guys above plus (off the top of my head):

The Golden Calf of Bristol

Freeman

Leinart

Vince Young

Jay Cutler

and of course, Aaron Rodgers

 

But in my opinion the trend really started more with Matty Ryan and Flacco than with Cam, but there is no doubt that once Cam started week 1, there hasn't been a QB sit and wait since.

 

My list was STRICTLY #1 overall picks

 

But yea you draft those guys to play...have for awhile.

 

[tiger7_88]

Did you really mean to post this?  Are you really wanting to compare Wins and Losses of any of thess QB with the wins and losses of Cam.

 

 

No, I was responding to your previous statement, not the most recent strawman you created above.

 

The statement to which I was responding was 

 

 

 

You are absolutely right, but good QB find ways to make mediocre teams win, sometimes even bad teams win.

 

 

And it would be nice if you could explain why the good QBs I listed are not finding a way to win with mediocre/bad teams.

 

OR you can just throw another muddy strawman against the wall to distract from the subject at hand.

[PanthersClinic]

Even when he was playing in the Pro Bowl he played terrible. It's not the talent around him - it's him.

[tiger7_88]

So Matty Ice has one position that is worth a damn and that should make the team glorious?  Doesn't matter that the D sucks and other teams rush for nearly 500 yards on them or passed for almost 1400 yards...in other words they couldn't stop me or you.

 

Oh and until last night they didn't' have a running back that avg more that 2.7 yards per carry

 

I will give you that he has only been sacked 9 times to Cams 15 but not sure how much of that is Matty throuwing the ball away when he knows he is getting sacked; because he is pressured a lot.

 

 

YOU said good QB's make mediocre/bad teams good.  Support your thesis in the face of contradictory evidence.

 

 

And what I'm talking about is the overall wins of each of those QB he listed vs the overall wins of Cam Newton since he seemed to want to through this years states ONLY up in a win / lose situation when we all know that good QB, like those, do and have found ways to win.  In this example he didn't get Matty Ice as a nickname because he choked in 4th quarters.

 

 

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhh... I see you've added "shifting goalposts" to your prior strategy of "creating strawmen".

 

Very nice.

[Makish]

Geno doesnt have any WR options

 

Luck only had Wayne coming in last year( luck helped make everyone else)

 

RG3 only had Moss coming into last year

 

Tannehill only started  2 years in college and looks good in the pros( was recruited as a WR)  

 

Sanchez only started 2 years in college and is a washout

 

Cam got

 

2 1000 yard RB( and both are good receiving options)

 

1 Probowl WR

 

a great TE

 

Ginn a guy we can stretch the field

 

Lafell a decent third option behind Olsen and Smitty

 

 

[Rubi]

At least you defend your reason with something beside anyone that thinks Cam isn't superman is an idiot.

Personally, I don't know if I agree with the coaching being that bad and only because he has worked with other coaches / trainers in the off seasons and he still has the same issues. That doesn't mean I don't think he can learn and get the mechanics right I just wonder why he hasn't. Until can get get those right he will always be very inaccurate and very streaky.

You're the clown that argued with me back when we first drafted Cam saying Jimmy Clausen would be a better QB.

LOL !!!

[TheRed]

Geno doesnt have any WR options

Luck only had Wayne coming in last year( luck helped make everyone else)

RG3 only had Moss coming into last year

Tannehill only started 2 years in college and looks good in the pros( was recruited as a WR)

Sanchez only started 2 years in college and is a washout

Cam got

2 1000 yard RB( and both are good receiving options)

1 Probowl WR

a great TE

Ginn a guy we can stretch the field

Lafell a decent third option behind Olsen and Smitty

I like how you conveniently left out that we tied up like $80 million in those two RB's, and that one of them is missing half this season.

We definitely couldn't have used any of that money to get a real o line and a top young WR to pair with Cam, no?

[Makish]

I like how you conveniently left out that we tied up like $80 million in those two RB's, and that one of them is missing half this season.

We definitely couldn't have used any of that money to get a real o line and a top young WR to pair with Cam, no?

Cam has been sacked 15 times in 4 games (7 were coverage sacks)  2 sacks were him getting pushed out of bounds behind the line

 

Geno has been sacked 18 times rec 3-2

 

Luck has been sacked 12 times rec 4-1

 

Tannehill has been sacked 24 times rec 4-1

 

Wilson has been sacked 15 times rec 4-1

 

no QB above has better weapons ( all our very similar) 

 

Cam is 30th in QB rating

 

what is different from our offense from last years?  Hint playcalling

[Squirrel]

Cam has been sacked 15 times in 4 games (7 were coverage sacks)  2 sacks were him getting pushed out of bounds behind the line

 

Geno has been sacked 18 times rec 3-2

 

Luck has been sacked 12 times rec 4-1

 

Tannehill has been sacked 24 times rec 4-1

 

Wilson has been sacked 15 times rec 4-1

 

no QB above has better weapons ( all our very similar) 

 

Cam is 30th in QB rating

 

what is different from our offense from last years?  Hint playcalling

 

 

Nicely played, but one question how many coverage sacks could have been no sacks if Cam had thrown the ball away? 

[TheRed]

Cam has been sacked 15 times in 4 games (7 were coverage sacks) 2 sacks were him getting pushed out of bounds behind the line

Geno has been sacked 18 times rec 3-2

Luck has been sacked 12 times rec 4-1

Tannehill has been sacked 24 times rec 4-1

Wilson has been sacked 15 times rec 4-1

no QB above has better weapons ( all our very similar)

Cam is 30th in QB rating

what is different from our offense from last years? Hint playcalling

Well that was a quick subject change. So basically no response then?

Comparing quarterbacks on different teams without taking all the other variables into account is just asinine.

How fitting that Squirrel agrees with you.

[footballisasport]

I find it quite funny when Charlie Casserly of NFLN, gets asked if Cam is "regressing" in regards to Sunday's game. He goes into the usual criticism of Cam's QB mechanics despite claiming that only one Int was his fault because "he held the ball to long" and he doesn't believe "he's "regressing." Charlie never said a thing about the Panthers team. He never said anything about the O-line breaking down so easily around Cam, or the Receivers dropping his well throw balls, not surprising. But, he did go into the usual, what Cam needs too help the Panthers, mantra. SMDH.

 

They will never demand the Panthers build around Cam, like they do with Luck because the team isn't a  team regard as being a great team anyway and Cam doesn't fit their idea of the "perfect QB" like Luck does. 

 

BTW, did you guys watch the Falcon game against the Jet game yesterday? Or any of the other games as a matter of fact..., See how much those Receivers worked for Matty. See how much the O-line stood their ground allowing Matty time to scan the field. Same with the Jets and their QB. Funny how that works.

 

Many of you seem centered on criticizing Cam at every turn, just like the media taught you. In turn, you solve nothing more but put unneccessary  pressure on him; which will then forces him to press more when the team doesn't playing well; which in turn causes more Ints; which in turn cases the media to blame his "QB mechanics and intelligence," which in turn plays right into their already created image of him not being such a good QB despite his "natural talent" and "big arm."  And the cycle continues.  In the meantime, the Panthers issues will continue but Cam may not be around because the team burnt him out. And since those in the media, already made it clear that he wasn't an "elite" QB and their Choosen, anyway...Oh well.

 

 Cam is not the issue with this team. Many of you know that.