The Thing People are Forgetting About Cam vs Other Young QBs...

[Fox007]

now you do.

 

 

When we drafted Cam that was not the norm.

 

 

Cam changed the game in that regard.

 

 

LOL!

 

That's what delusion looks like folks...

 

 

Yea because:

 

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning

Alex Smith

Matthew Stafford

Jawalrus

Sam Bradford

 

didn't start as the #1 overall pick.

[PhillyB]

give him an OL.

give him an OC who takes advantages of his strengths and works around his limitations.

give him a HC who trusts his abilities.

give him a GM who builds around him.

give him his confidence back.

give him the ability to just make things happen.

give him a team that doesn't think that losing is ok and just something that happens that you have to get used to.

 

right QB. crappy situation.

 

agree. it should not be a difficult fix in the offseason compared to what many rebuilding teams face. invest heavily in an offensive line, get cam a dez bryant/aj green type of receiver, get a decent coach in here... profit.

[philp]

 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

uhm, he is in his third year as a full time starter in the NFL, what exactly is this thread for again?  is this a halfway excuse that someone felt needed to be made or what?

[PhillyB]

uhm, he is in his third year as a full time starter in the NFL, what exactly is this thread for again?  is this a halfway excuse that someone felt needed to be made or what?

 

it's called analyzing complex situations with complex figures and acknowledging the complex nature of the solution

 

i'll take it over the CAM R RETARTED threads

[Cary Kollins]

LOL!

 

That's what delusion looks like folks...

 

 

Yea because:

 

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning

Alex Smith

Matthew Stafford

Jawalrus

Sam Bradford

 

didn't start as the #1 overall pick.

 

 

Alex Smith was a backup to begin his rookie season.

 

 

Let's see what else is wrong with your post.

 

 

Edit number 1:  Jamarcus Russell didn't start until December of his rookie year.

[rayzor]

agree. it should not be a difficult fix in the offseason compared to what many rebuilding teams face. invest heavily in an offensive line, get cam a dez bryant/aj green type of receiver, get a decent coach in here... profit.

 

the defense is in good enough shape for a solid playoff run.

 

we need OL help, one more receiver that can be a #1,  and another TE (because it worked so well for cam when he had olsen and shockey). all of that can be done in offseason.

 

getting the right HC and OC can be done and no one can tell me it takes years for a HC to turn his team into a winning team. recent history flies right in the face of that.

 

with all that said, tho, there is no excuse for not winning at this point with this team.

 

we had a great offense in 2011. we had another good one the last half of the season last year once we yanked chud's head out of his ass. we should have had a good one now. the regression that has happened is inexcusable.

[csx]

the defense is in good enough shape for a solid playoff run.

 

we need OL help, one more receiver that can be a #1,  and another TE (because it worked so well for cam when he had olsen and shockey). all of that can be done in offseason.

 

getting the right HC and OC can be done and no one can tell me it takes years for a HC to turn his team into a winning team. recent history flies right in the face of that.

 

with all that said, tho, there is no excuse for not winning at this point with this team.

 

we had a great offense in 2011. we had another good one the last half of the season last year once we yanked chud's head out of his ass. we should have had a good one now. the regression that has happened is inexcusable.

 

But people always make excuses for Newton's down games.

[thefuzz]

Only guys who don't pay attention are forgetting this.

 

I have said it no less than 200 times since we found out that we had the no. 1 overall pick and Luck was going back to school.

 

The one thing that worried me about Cam is his inexperience as a starter in college.  He had 1 pretty poor year of coaching in the SEC, and some of the issues that were there when he was drafted are still there today.

 

Footwork, accuracy, "touch", consistency, etc...those are issues that Cam struggled with coming out, and they are still there.  We have done next to nothing in helping Cam fix these issues as a franchise, and hopefully the new coach will bring in a QB whisperer to get Cam back on track.  I certainly hope so, we have two years after this one before he is either jettisoned or highly paid.

 

We are in year three, and I was/am more than willing to give Cam three full years starting before I make up my mind what we have, hopefully the lights come on for him this year like they did late last season.  If not, bring in Mike Zimmer and the best QB coach, and OC that we can afford.  Bring in some FA O linemen, and get us a true no. 1 WR and lets try to win some games.

[Fox007]

Alex Smith was a backup to begin his rookie season.

 

 

Let's see what else is wrong with your post.

 

 

He started 7 games there chief and was in fact drafted to start...

 

He was also injured his rookie year but who cares the point remains.

 

Talk about what's wrong with posts go back and read yours w/o laughing....rofl

[Fox007]

 

 

Edit number 1:  Jamarcus Russell didn't start until December of his rookie year.

 

 

Did he start?

 

Was he the #1 overall pick?

 

Don't try to save face by changing the argument trying to act like Cam was the first QB to come in and play as a rookie QB.

[Cary Kollins]

i'm not going to argue with you

 

 

you said "You absolutely draft someone #1 overall with the intentions of them starting right away...."

 

 

Not starting until November or December does not qualify in my book.    Anyway that wasn't what I was even getting at with the "Cam changed the game in that regard" comment.

 

What he changed the game in is expectations for #1 QBs.  Now they are expected to throw for 4,000+ yards and be dynamic passers and runners.

[Fox007]

i'm not going to argue with you

 

 

you said "You absolutely draft someone #1 overall with the intentions of them starting right away...."

 

 

Not starting until November or December does not qualify in my book.    Anyway that wasn't what I was even getting at with the "Cam changed the game in that regard" comment.

 

What he changed the game in is expectations for #1 QBs.  Now they are expected to throw for 4,000+ yards and be dynamic passers and runners.

 

 

Even if I gave you those 2 (rather crappy QBs anyway) you'd still be  2/8 and I stopped at Manning...we can go back...

 

 

Point is and will always be you draft players in the first round and especially #1 overall  to come in and start.

 

Cam is preceded by Vick, McNabb, and Cunningham to name a few. 

 

 

He may be the first in the new era of these types of QBs but he didn't revolutionize anything...

 

Throwing for 4,000 yards means very little, as the game has shifted to that with the rules and 'player safety'.

 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

it's called analyzing complex situations with complex figures and acknowledging the complex nature of the solution

 

i'll take it over the CAM R RETARTED threads

it's really not complex.  you have the same people telling us the reason he isn't winning us games now is because of inexperience then those same guys are telling us he isn't the reason why we are losing.  then you have guys who already say he isn't good enough and we should move on which is even more ridiculous. 

 

the fact of the matter is, Smith doesnt drop that TD pass and Lafell doesnt drop that 4th down conversion, the outcome of the game is totally different.  In my opinion, Cam has had about 5 real bad games in his career, in this is his first this season.  But if we capitalize early, we could possibly have had much more momentum.

 

What you can almost expect every game, is a quick start, then a stumble in the second half.  Our in-game adjustments have been nonexistent since Ron has been here.