Cam's Company (put on your thinking caps)

[Anybodyhome]

 I think Eli is a serviceable, game managing QB.  I think he's solid.  

 

I think the problem with that team is that they're too lacking in key aspects of the game and Eli's not superstar QB that can win games with crap surrounding him like the elite QBs can.

 

A good, solid QB that if given the tools around him (most notably, a strong defense) they can be successful.  .

 

I think with these few sentences, you've just described Cam Newton.

 

Except I'd change the "most notably, a strong defense" to "most notably, a strong O-line."

 

And let's be real. Cam may not necessarily have "crap" surrounding him, but he certainly doesn't have the caliber of talent a Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, Mike Vick all have surrounding them. Steve Smith is a very good WR, but he has lost a step and he's still going to get doubled because there are no other proven threats at the #2 for any defenses to worry about...yet. The team has one running back who hasn't broken off a long run in a year, another rookie RB and an injured vet.

 

Cam Newton does not have an O-line that will protect him long enough for the only 2 reliable targets he trusts (Smith and Olsen) to try to get some separation. Hence, he holds the ball too long. 

 

Bottom line, Cam Newton would kill in:

Philadelphia

Houston

Atlanta

Kansas City

Minnesota

Buffalo

Cincy

Indy

Detroit

and the entire NFC West (Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, Arizona)

 

 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

Eh, I think Cam is MUCH more than a game manager like Eli.  Cam is a game breaker.  With Eli's SB teams, he would have been dominant.  I think Cam is more than serviceable.  And you seemed to agree with me with the last part of your post.  Cam would kill it on those teams, Eli (and game managers in general) don't kill it.  They just don't hold the team back.  Cam can be much more than just a guy that won't hold the team back, he just isn't yet the kind of guy that can carry his team to greatness alone.

[JawnyBlaze]

And Cam's got a little better than "crap surrounding him", but not much better.  He has *some* offensive talent around him (Deangelo and Smitty can still get it done, but they're obviously not what they once were, Olsen, maybe Ginn, Kalil), but in my opinion it's negated by the TERRIBLE gameplanning and team running by Shula and Rivera, respectively.

[koolkatluke]

I get all that and I'm not laying it all at Cam's feet, but I'm not going to absolve him of all responsibility for what's happening, either. You simply cannot hold onto the ball that long in your end zone. You simply cannot take one or 2 steps backwards, sideways or forward in the pocket and think a blitzing LB is going to completely whiff on you. 

 

There's another QB in the league who is struggling more than Cam right now- Eli Manning. Yes, the Manning brother who has 2 rings within a 6-year period and numerous playoff appearances... with the same coaching staff... and they're winless. Is that a coaching issue or is it a QB issue, as long as those seem to be the only two options available to base this discussion?

 

And I heard this very argument on a show yesterday. The talking heads said Eli needed to be coached up while Cam Newton needed to be benched. My question is what's the difference? Seems to me the experienced veteran would be benched before a 3rd year QB and the younger, less experienced QB would need to be "coached up," not the veteran. 

 

 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013100608/2013/REG5/panthers@cardinals#menu=highlights&tab=recap

 

So you are seriously saying Cam held on to the ball to long on the safety and think you have any credibility???

 

So after the Snap Campbell was not on Cam Back??

 

[tiger7_88]

The minute someone says they're "not sold on Joe Flacco" they have lost all credibility.

1. He has started every game thru 5 years and 5 games this season

2. The only QB in history to go thru a post season with no picks (11 TDs) in 4 games. (Joe Montana did the same in 3 games)

3. Finished the 2013 playoffs with a higher QB rating than Brees, Rodgers and Brady.

4. Most wins by a QB in 80 consecutive starts (54)

5. Only QB in history to win a playoff game in each of his first 5 seasons.

6. First QB to have a QB rating over 100 for an entire post season.

Yeah, he's not glamorous and may not have the best regular season completion percentage in the world at 60%, but he doesn't hold the ball and certainly doesn't mind throwing it away rather than toss one up for grabs.

So, while a bunch of you are most assuredly going to claim he's a "system QB" and basically just make a bunch of excuses why he's not an outstanding QB in your mind, just remember the most important stats- he's been to the playoffs every years he's been in the league and he has a ring. Unless you have a guy who can top that, stfu and move on.

I very much agree with you.

And yet Flacco is really struggling this year. Why?

Limited talent at the Raven receiving positions.

Bad offensive line.

Golly, that sounds familiar... doesn't it?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

I very much agree with you.

And yet Flacco is really struggling this year. Why?

Limited talent at the Raven receiving positions.

Bad offensive line.

Golly, that sounds familiar... doesn't it?

 

i don't know if you've been reading the huddle this week, but we've pretty much definitively proven that offensive lines and skill position players don't matter.  get with it.

[koolkatluke]

Plain and simple no young QB drafted in the last 4 years would trade coaches and supporting cast with Cam.

 

Maybe Pryor but OC Greg Olson had success in Tampa Bay and Shula didn't.

[MichaelNewtonII]

HE WOULD BE A MONSTER IN ATLANTA OMFG JULIO RODDY TONY

[TheRed]

Before the season started I believe it was Greg Cosell that said Gettleman was going into the season wanting to see what Cam was capable of as a pocket passer and they were going to try and mold him to that (if possible) to fit Gettleman's philosphy.Exactly what he said was going to happen is what we are seeing so one would think there is some validity to Cosell said. So is it Shula choosing to do that or is it coming from above him?

 

I don't recall that, Cosell spoke to him?

 

If that is the case though, what was the Giants game all about? We let Cam be Cam and it opened up our offense.

 

Regardless in all this, we know Cam can stand tall in the pocket and deliver strikes. He needs work in some areas, but it's a team effort.

[Peppers90 NC]

I think Cam would be better on Bengals, Texans, Titans, Chiefs, Niners, Seahawks, Cardinals, Saints, and Eagles

[Anybodyhome]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013100608/2013/REG5/panthers@cardinals#menu=highlights&tab=recap

 

So you are seriously saying Cam held on to the ball to long on the safety and think you have any credibility???

 

So after the Snap Campbell was not on Cam Back??

 

 

1. Should not have been under center

2. Should not have taken a 5-step drop

3. Should have called hot read