Since some are turning on Cam I have 4 question for you.

[MadHatter]

Could you provide some proof that the man cannot read defenses, other than just making silly statements as if they were facts?

 

Was told that specific statement by one of the Panther's coaching staff about a year ago....coach is no longer on the team.

 

Don't care if you believe it....but he was a neighbor of mine.

 

He said that Cam "struggles reading defenses pre-snap" and that this was one of the reasons that he was slow in going through his progressions....that he was having to process everything post snap (which is too difficult to do in that short period of time).  You have to be able to anticipate what the defense is doing.

 

This is one of the reasons that Cam continuously makes throws while not even seeing the LB....he is not able to anticipate where the LB is and what coverage he is in.

[TheRed]

Was told that specific statement by one of the Panther's coaching staff about a year ago....coach is no longer on the team.

 

Don't care if you believe it....but he was a neighbor of mine.

 

He said that Cam "struggles reading defenses pre-snap" and that this was one of the reasons that he was slow in going through his progressions....that he was having to process everything post snap (which is too difficult to do in that short period of time).  You have to be able to anticipate what the defense is doing.

 

This is one of the reasons that Cam continuously makes throws while not even seeing the LB....he is not able to anticipate where the LB is and what coverage he is in.

 

LMAO. This guy just said his neighbor told him that Cam Newton can't read defenses. Oh my... This is just... Too much...

[beastson]

Was told that specific statement by one of the Panther's coaching staff about a year ago....coach is no longer on the team.

 

Don't care if you believe it....but he was a neighbor of mine.

 

He said that Cam "struggles reading defenses pre-snap" and that this was one of the reasons that he was slow in going through his progressions....that he was having to process everything post snap (which is too difficult to do in that short period of time).  You have to be able to anticipate what the defense is doing.

 

This is one of the reasons that Cam continuously makes throws while not even seeing the LB....he is not able to anticipate where the LB is and what coverage he is in.

 

But thats not true

 

Those picks come from staring down the receiver. If thats the case, then Jake didn't anticipate in all the picks from staring down Steve

 

And like I said lack of options, spread out options 

[MadHatter]

But thats not true

 

It comes from staring down the receiver 

 

And like I said lack of options, spread out options 

 

I am just telling you what he told me.

 

And, it is true.  When you struggle with progressions and reading defenses, you tend to not move away from your primary receiver....staring them down and trying to force it to them.

 

This is the passing game that they ran at Auburn (same as Vick ran at VT).  You have one (maybe two) receiving options.  If they were not immediately there, they pulled it down and ran.  Cam was never in an offense that required him to sit in the pocket and go through his progressions (4-5 options).  He is still struggling with this.  Not saying that he can't learn and overcome it....just that he has not really done so in 2+ seasons.

[TheRed]

This obsession over making things up out of thin air about our quarterback has officially hit the lowest of lows.

[MadHatter]

 

LMAO. This guy just said his neighbor told him that Cam Newton can't read defenses. Oh my... This is just... Too much...

 

 

Just because your life is so meaningless that you know no one....does not mean others are the same.

 

We were have a few beers on a nice sunny day at the pool.  I had talked to him dozens of times while walking the dog.  We got into a discussion about the Panthers and I asked his opinion.  He was talking about Cam's strengths and weaknesses.  He said that reading defenses was a weakness of his mainly becuase he never had to rely on it HS and College...he was that good of an athlete.  He said that was the biggest area that Cam needed to work on and that it would take time.  They all believe that he would develop that skill because they believed his work ethic was strong.

 

I am not saying that he still "can't" read defenses.....just that I see some of the same issues this season that are a symptom of it.

[TheRed]

Just because your life is so meaningless that you know no one....does not mean others are the same.

We were have a few beers on a nice sunny day at the pool. I had talked to him dozens of times while walking the dog. We got into a discussion about the Panthers and I asked his opinion. He was talking about Cam's strengths and weaknesses. He said that reading defenses was a weakness of his mainly becuase he never had to rely on it HS and College...he was that good of an athlete. He said that was the biggest area that Cam needed to work on and that it would take time. They all believe that he would develop that skill because they believed his work ethic was strong.

I am not saying that he still "can't" read defenses.....just that I see some of the same issues this season that are a symptom of it.

Do tell us more MH, we are so intrigued. Oh, and such wit with those razor sharp insults.

Even if this actually did happen, and you aren't pulling things out of your ass. I bet your first response would have been "I knew it, Cam actually really does suck. I better go tell all the guys at the huddle about this, those imbeciles don't know the first thing about football!!!!"

[beastson]

I am just telling you what he told me.

 

And, it is true.  When you struggle with progressions and reading defenses, you tend to not move away from your primary receiver....staring them down and trying to force it to them.

 

This is the passing game that they ran at Auburn (same as Vick ran at VT).  You have one (maybe two) receiving options.  If they were not immediately there, they pulled it down and ran.  Cam was never in an offense that required him to sit in the pocket and go through his progressions (4-5 options).  He is still struggling with this.  Not saying that he can't learn and overcome it....just that he has not really done so in 2+ seasons.

 

But he has lack of options. That play where the LB picked him off, on that one side Steve was the ONLY receiving option and it was Steve Smith. Thats basic instinct for a LB against this team where every thing is predictable

 

If you brought Payton or Garrett offense here, you'll see a offense that can spread a defense out. There is no "primary" option, everybody is an option in there offense. This team has yet to involve from Fox era offense. It's run the same way under Jake. So if those same picks Jake threw to Steve wasnt cause he couldn't read defense, then neither was Cam's 

 

When Luke picked off Flacco in the preseason where he threw it right to him, that was Flacco being unable to anticipate where the LB would be? That's ridiculous dude

[MadHatter]

But he has lack of options. That play where the LB picked him off, on that one side Steve was the ONLY receiving option and it was Steve Smith. Thats basic instinct for a LB against this team where every thing is predictable

 

If you brought Payton or Garrett offense here, you'll see a offense that can spread a defense out. There is no "primary" option, everybody is an option in there offense. This team has yet to involve from Fox era offense. It's run the same way under Jake. So if those same picks Jake threw to Steve wasnt cause he couldn't read defense, then neither was Cam's 

 

When Luke picked off Flacco in the preseason where he threw it right to him, that was Flacco being unable to anticipate where the LB would be? That's ridiculous dude

 

Don't get me wrong.  I absolutely want to see a change in the coaching staff. 

 

I like Rivera....and actually think that Shula's offense is a well balanced one.  However, it is time for a change because we have gotten in to a rut.  Things just don't seem to be meshing properly.

 

I don't give RR and staff a pass....they are lacking in many areas.  But, I can also see and admit that it is just as much the players fault (lack of execution) as it is the coaches fault.

 

Sometimes it is just time for a change....and I think that time is now.

 

I also would like to see an offensive minded coach and strong OC brought it.  However, I don't want some read-option, gimmick OC (like Chud or Chip Kelly) brought in.  I don't think the NFL is transforming and those gimmick styles are figured out in a season or two.

 

I absolutely hope I am wrong about Cam.  But, I just don't like the fact that the same mistakes are being made....and I honestly would not be that surprised in DG and a new coach went a different direction.

 

Also....if they are (and I am not saying they are), this is the year to do it.  This draft is stacked at QB as well.

 

I really like Aaron Murray from UGA...he has stud NFL QB written all over him.

[Happy Panther]

Cam has potential and amazing raw skills. I wouldn't think to get rid of him. But Mad Hatter is right on a bunch of things.

 

1) He has not developed as he should mechanically as well as going through options. He has streaks of brilliance in that regard as well as accuracy and then it falls apart. Yes he needs an OC that can take him to the next level but it also makes me wonder about his work ethic developmentally.

 

He has plenty of WR options in Ginn and LAfell and needs to realize when they are open because they are a lot. it's not all steve smith.

 

2) I wonder if his head is in the game. I don't care if Rivera has lost the team, you are getting paid to do a job. When you screw up and the coach chews you out, you say yes sir...he is right team let's make this happen. You don't stand there and walk away with a huge grin on your face.

 

Do you think the veterans on this team would list Cam as a leader? I have my doubts

 

Unfortunately we will not know whose "fault" all this is until we get some O Line help

 

[TheRed]

Cam has potential and amazing raw skills. I wouldn't think to get rid of him. But Mad Hatter is right on a bunch of things.

 

1) He has not developed as he should mechanically as well as going through options. He has streaks of brilliance in that regard as well as accuracy and then it falls apart. Yes he needs an OC that can take him to the next level but it also makes me wonder about his work ethic developmentally.

 

He has plenty of WR options in Ginn and LAfell and needs to realize when they are open because they are a lot. it's not all steve smith.

 

2) I wonder if his head is in the game. I don't care if Rivera has lost the team, you are getting paid to do a job. When you screw up and the coach chews you out, you say yes sir...he is right team let's make this happen. You don't stand there and walk away with a huge grin on your face.

 

Do you think the veterans on this team would list Cam as a leader? I have my doubts

 

Unfortunately we will not know whose "fault" all this is until we get some O Line help

 

What, you mean to tell me a quarterback only four games into his third season still has some flaws and isn't a complete finished product?

 

You lost me at "he has plenty of WR options". What a joke.

[Happy Panther]

What, you mean to tell me a quarterback only four games into his third season still has some flaws and isn't a complete finished product?

 

Not what I posted at all but you hopefully know that.

 

Not interested in playing straw-man games today.

[TheRed]

Not what I posted at all but you hopefully know that.

 

Not interested in playing straw-man games today.

 

Cam is held to an absurd standard here.

 

Most of this is because many of these bitter folks never wanted him drafted in the first place for various reasons. But these people choose to ignore the history of other quarterbacks at this stage in their long careers like they put it all together in less than three seasons.

 

I know you are an intelligent poster, so you should know.

[Mistuh Jones]

think about this one. I'm sorry, I love him... but Smitty has lost like 4 steps. He's not a #1 any more and that fact makes me incredibly sad