Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

[poorboysrev]

Deangelo has typically been a slow starter to begin seasons. The fact that he IS running as well as he is this early bodes well for what he may be doing in a few weeks. Of course Dwill will lose goalline runs to Tolbert and Cam, their both 250 pounds, it's just smart. But  you have to like the 8 to 20 yd chunks Deangelo is getting. It's only a matter of time before he starts breaking a couple of those(he got close vs the giants and the Seattle run prefumble was awesome). It was also pretty apparent that Cam running for 15 yds up the gut of the Giants D loosened things up for DW. We need to keep doing that.

[Davidson Deac II]

Deangelo has been running really strong. Contract aside, I love the guy.

 

This.

 

He is a good running back, probably top 10-15 in the league.  Most rational fans realize that.  The issue most had is that we invested way to much money in our running backs.  And last year, we barely used them.  That is just pure incompetence on the part of the front office, and hopefully something the new guy will fix. 

[Kurb]

Still overpaid

Still old

But running well.

Maybe we can get an ounce of production out of that contract finally.

[poorboysrev]

i'm not understanding the notion that d-will isn't receiving any help from the o-line. it's not like he's breaking tackles or juking people in the backfield ala peterson/mccoy. he's running through the holes that are there. at this point in his career, he very rarely makes something out of nothing.

 

fact of the matter is RBs are a dime a dozen and i don't believe in paying them very much unless they're elite, which d-will is not.

        What's the point in worrying about what Deangelo is or isn't getting paid right now? He's on the team this year. He's not going anywhere in 2013 and honestly he's playing well so why would we want him too. He's taking some pressure off of Cam, and running well enough to move the chains and keep our D rested.  He's doing his job. I think he can still kick it into a higher gear later in the year like he historically has, if he does we will become very dangerous. We are way under the cap so Dwill did not keep us from signing FA's this year.

        Everyone's argued the contracts of our RB's til their blue in the face, Hurney's gone, Gettleman's cleaning the mess up, so what's the point?. I think maybe we should be happy that Deangelo is on the field producing and helping the team unlike our other big contract guys Beason, Stew, and Godfrey. One of our running backs is top 5 in the league again finally. If he stays there we are going to win more games so  I don't give a poo how much his game check was for Sunday. That's Gettleman's job to figure out next year.

[tjmurray]

What's the point in worrying about what Deangelo is or isn't getting paid right now? He's on the team this year. He's not going anywhere in 2013 and honestly he's playing well so why would we want him too. He's taking some pressure off of Cam, and running well enough to move the chains and keep our D rested. He's doing his job. I think he can still kick it into a higher gear later in the year like he historically has, if he does we will become very dangerous. We are way under the cap so Dwill did not keep us from signing FA's this year.

Everyone's argued the contracts of our RB's til their blue in the face, Hurney's gone, Gettleman's cleaning the mess up, so what's the point?. I think maybe we should be happy that Deangelo is on the field producing and helping the team unlike our other big contract guys Beason, Stew, and Godfrey. One of our running backs is top 5 in the league again finally. If he stays there we are going to win more games so I don't give a poo how much his game check was for Sunday. That's Gettleman's job to figure out next year.

Because it isn't about the contract. This fanbase has been divided in the past few years. There are people who simply want #28 to be the guy. I get it and I understand. They use the contract as a Copout or an excuse to sort of bash him. There are fans who simply aren't a fan of his style. That was apparent when Stewie was put on the pup and people were calling for Barner to be the starter because he had an 8 yard run against Philly in the preseason and Dlo looked washed after 3 damn Carries in the same.game. It was very apparent then that there are fans who want the team to succeed but at the same time hope DeAngelo fails. It is obvious and when I see it I call them out on it. There is always a caveat or disclaimer when he performs well and it has become funny at this point. Well the defense was bad, he is just running through gaping holes, he got his yardage when the game was over, etc. Kurb just had a bogus a$$ post, "Still old, still overpaid." Why the hell are you worried about his money? Did his contract prevent us from signing some free agent this past offseason? worry about what he is doing on the field. He is being put in a position to succeed and he is doing that. #GoPanthers

[CRA]

What's the point in worrying about what Deangelo is or isn't getting paid right now? He's on the team this year. He's not going anywhere in 2013 and honestly he's playing well so why would we want him too. He's taking some pressure off of Cam, and running well enough to move the chains and keep our D rested. He's doing his job. I think he can still kick it into a higher gear later in the year like he historically has, if he does we will become very dangerous. We are way under the cap so Dwill did not keep us from signing FA's this year.

Everyone's argued the contracts of our RB's til their blue in the face, Hurney's gone, Gettleman's cleaning the mess up, so what's the point?. I think maybe we should be happy that Deangelo is on the field producing and helping the team unlike our other big contract guys Beason, Stew, and Godfrey. One of our running backs is top 5 in the league again finally. If he stays there we are going to win more games so I don't give a poo how much his game check was for Sunday. That's Gettleman's job to figure out next year.

Actually if you look at the best rushing teams in the last half decade or so....being good at that isn't the key to winning

QB and D are....hopefully Gettlemen going forward fixes this issue of RB love Carolina has fallen into

[panthers55]

You were the one claiming he was outperforming everyone on that list...

Like I said, over the top statement.

And those weren't AP's numbers I posted. They were Forte's. Chicago also had a goal line RB in Bush with more yards than Tolbert. He also got in the end zone on goal line carry last night....which pretty much eliminates the Tolbert arguement.

Forte is more well rounded....to date more productive. They have a goaline RB. What they don't have is another expensive RB on the roster in addition. So while he is more expensive than Williams....we are still spending more than Chicago on our RBs.

Williams is running well....but he is only a good value if his teammates are hurt. That has always been the issue. A healthy roster....means we have bad value in our backfield

Typical CRA logic using receiving and rushing yards to try and prove a point.  The question was who is the better running back

 

Forte- has 225 yards in 55 carries for a 4.1 yards per carry

Williams has 291 yards on 62 carries for a 4.7 yards per carry.

 

Who is much better-= Williams of course.

 

Who is the better receiver:

 

Forte has 18 receptions for 138 yards or  7.7 yards per catch versus William who has 3 reception for 14 yards or 4.7 yards per reception.

 

 

Even if you combine them Forte has 73 touches for 363 yards or 4.97 versus Williams has 65 touches for 305 yards or 4.7.  But that doesn't tell the whole picture.  If you combine touches as a function of cap hit - Forte's cap hit is  7.2 million while Williams  is 5 million.  So as a function of yards per dollar- Forte has 363 yards or $19834.71 per yard.  Williams has 305 yards or 16393.44 per yards.

 

So dollars per touch- Forte $98630 versus Williams $76923

 

Amazing what stats in context can illuminate.

 

 

So by any comparison Williams was more productive than Forte.  Watch now CRA will change the topic, talk about TDs as the only thing or pick someone else.    Why?  He has bitched and moaned about how expensive Williams has been for years and now that it no longer applies he can't change horses in the middle of the stream.

[panthers55]

Still overpaid

Still old

But running well.

Maybe we can get an ounce of production out of that contract finally.

Compared to who?  McCoy yes, Peterson, no.  And at 4.7 yards per carry he is one of top runningbacks in the league at any age.

[CRA]

Typical CRA logic using receiving and rushing yards to try and prove a point. The question was who is the better running back

Forte- has 225 yards in 55 carries for a 4.1 yards per carry

Williams has 291 yards on 62 carries for a 4.7 yards per carry.

Who is much better-= Williams of course.

Who is the better receiver:

Forte has 18 receptions for 138 yards or 7.7 yards per catch versus William who has 3 reception for 14 yards or 4.7 yards per reception.

Even if you combine them Forte has 73 touches for 363 yards or 4.97 versus Williams has 65 touches for 305 yards or 4.7. But that doesn't tell the whole picture. If you combine touches as a function of cap hit - Forte's cap hit is 7.2 million while Williams is 5 million. So as a function of yards per dollar- Forte has 363 yards or $19834.71 per yard. Williams has 305 yards or 16393.44 per yards.

So dollars per touch- Forte $98630 versus Williams $76923

Amazing what stats in context can illuminate.

So by any comparison Williams was more productive than Forte. Watch now CRA will change the topic, talk about TDs as the only thing or pick someone else. Why? He has bitched and moaned about how expensive Williams has been for years and now that it no longer applies he can't change horses in the middle of the stream.

lol...

RBs aren't just rushers. They are runners, receivers and blockers.

I told you in my initial post....you would counter with spin to justify Williams is out performing everyone. You throw out all rush TDs, all receptions and all receiving TDs.....LOL. Yeah, if you throw away all production that isn't just rushing yardage you can spin your way to your argument. I mean who cares about TDs

and dual threat RBs...right?

Again, Williams only is a good value this brief window with a huge part of the teams backfield HURT. A healthy roster makes him a bad value....same with Stewart. You only want to talk about guys in a vacuum. How much does Chicago pay for there backfield vs Carolina? That is what matters.

[tjmurray]

Typical CRA logic using receiving and rushing yards to try and prove a point. The question was who is the better running back

Forte- has 225 yards in 55 carries for a 4.1 yards per carry

Williams has 291 yards on 62 carries for a 4.7 yards per carry.

Who is much better-= Williams of course.

Who is the better receiver:

Forte has 18 receptions for 138 yards or 7.7 yards per catch versus William who has 3 reception for 14 yards or 4.7 yards per reception.

Even if you combine them Forte has 73 touches for 363 yards or 4.97 versus Williams has 65 touches for 305 yards or 4.7. But that doesn't tell the whole picture. If you combine touches as a function of cap hit - Forte's cap hit is 7.2 million while Williams is 5 million. So as a function of yards per dollar- Forte has 363 yards or $19834.71 per yard. Williams has 305 yards or 16393.44 per yards.

So dollars per touch- Forte $98630 versus Williams $76923

Amazing what stats in context can illuminate.

So by any comparison Williams was more productive than Forte. Watch now CRA will change the topic, talk about TDs as the only thing or pick someone else. Why? He has bitched and moaned about how expensive Williams has been for years and now that it no longer applies he can't change horses in the middle of the stream.

Panther55!!!!!!!!! In this piece spitting knowledge.... I see you Panther55. I see you...

[Coug Girl]

I think fans are concerned about the money because if you can save cap space, do it! We're going to need that money eventually. I'm a fan of this team and hoping they have the best situation they can possibly have going forward. And having the most realistic amount of money saved for cap space is key to that. If we can save money in our backfield then we need to do that.

[CRA]

55 was a founding member of the lets pay 2 RBs featured RB money bandwagon....

It is what it is

Williams is running good. Our others are hurt. I am fine with that.....

no need to make it over the top and claim he is dominating or out performing everyone...

[panthers55]

lol...

RBs aren't just rushers. They are runners, receivers and blockers.

I told you in my initial post....you would counter with spin to justify Williams is out performing everyone. You throw out all rush TDs, all receptions and all receiving TDs.....LOL. Yeah, if you throw away all production that isn't just rushing yardage you can spin your way to your argument. I mean who cares about TDs

and dual threat RBs...right?

Again, Williams only is a good value this brief window with a huge part of the teams backfield HURT. A healthy roster makes him a bad value....same with Stewart. You only want to talk about guys in a vacuum. How much does Chicago pay for there backfield vs Carolina? That is what matters.

Williams is a better value than Forte. Fact 

 

so now as I said you would change the topic to now which team has the better value in the backfield.

 

Admit it . You are wrong. Williams is a better value than Forte.

[panthers55]

55 was a founding member of the lets pay 2 RBs featured RB money bandwagon....

It is what it is

Williams is running good. Our others are hurt. I am fine with that.....

no need to make it over the top and claim he is dominating or out performing everyone...

So now that you are wrong you have to try and skew the topic one more time.  I never say pay them what we did.  We all know why we overpaid Williams.

Admit it.  Williams is a better value than Forte.  Go ahead.  Stop trying to change the topic.  Go ahead.it will be a first for you.