Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

[CRA]

Compare him and Peterson on yards per carry and Williams wins.  He doesn't have as many TDs but we use Cam and Tolbert for that on the ground.  And whose O-line is worse, ours or Minn ( a toss up to me)

 

And again he is cheaper than all the other guys on that list. Great performance and good value.  A win-win contrary to all the detractors.

 

his value in a vaccum is good...

 

his value with a healthy roster in Carolina....that has always been the issue

 

 

also, if you look at the top 10 rushers right now....majority of those guys are not on that top 10 cap hit list.  So who really has the good value?  I would say the teams with the top rushers, not taking the top 10 cap hits.

[tjmurray]

Well, it wasn't a dominating performance....

He has run consistent for us and that is a every good thing. Dominating is over the top and not realistic. He did have a lot of yards when the game was basically over. After we went up 24-0 in the 3rd.....he racked up a lot

The run game is more than just #34 CRA. When we needed one yard Tolbert got it. When we needed a few yards, Cam got it. The run game was dominant yesterday. As a whole it was impressive. You have a habit of focusing just on an individual. The oline, Deangelo, Tolbert and Cam imposed their will in the second half.

[CRA]

The run game is more than just #34 CRA. When we needed one yard Tolbert got it. When we needed a few yards, Cam got it. The run game was dominant yesterday. As a whole it was impressive. You have a habit of focusing just on an individual. The oline, Deangelo, Tolbert and Cam imposed their will in the second half.

 

this thread was about Williams.  I assumed the comment was about him dominating.  if that isn't what was meant...then my bad.

 

it was an impressive overall day for the team.   In the past half decade, we have actually been so spoiled with so many dominating rushing games.....maybe my bar is set too high.  That overall didn't feel like domination on the ground to me

[Mojoman]

DW is currently No. 3 rusher in the NFL.  I was especially impressed with how hard he ran late in the game.  He definitely was putting out 100& effort in the Giants game.

[ncsfinest21]

Ive been telling people DWill is still good. Read Option made him one dimensional and he had no option but to run up the middle. He is a outside runner and knows how to overpower db's. I never had doubts about him. My doubts was that the playcalling wasnt geared towards him and was eliminating what he is known for. He is back fellas. Actually never left just bad playcalling. Get rid of JStew he is injury prone every year and hasnt be consistent for us injury wise.

[Argus Plexus]

Agreed

[Car123]

Well, it wasn't a dominating performance....

He has run consistent for us and that is a every good thing. Dominating is over the top and not realistic. He did have a lot of yards when the game was basically over. After we went up 24-0 in the 3rd.....he racked up a lot

He had 88 yards after the 3rd quarter

Most of his yards came ve.the game was still competitive

[panthers55]

his value in a vaccum is good...

 

his value with a healthy roster in Carolina....that has always been the issue

 

 

also, if you look at the top 10 rushers right now....majority of those guys are not on that top 10 cap hit list.  So who really has the good value?  I would say the teams with the top rushers, not taking the top 10 cap hits.

So of the top 10 cap guys who is doing the best??  Williams

 

Sure you can look at guys on rookie contracts or guys who are underpaid but that is a whole different discussion.  Just admit it. Williams is doing very well and is a good value this year so far.  Then again you argue about everything so why would that change.......

[BigBoss]

Honestly, the end of Seattle aside (and yeah that one stung), I think D-will has been doing pretty good this year especially considering the O-line he's got in front of him, he's been playing a lot better than the crap talk people give him on here and I'm glad to see it.

 

I want our players to play good, not meet that terrible opinions and expectations we stick on them. Don't you?

[Coug Girl]

I gotta agree with CRA, McCoy is the top rusher isn't he? He's not on that list - McCoy is more explosive consistently. But, it's hard to even know what Williams full potential can be yet considering we rarely had him running last year. This will be the year to see what he can do still. He definitely wasn't among the top backs last year I don't think.

But ya game program from yesterday:

2013 Rush Leaders:

Att. Yds. Avg. TD

L. McCoy, Phi. 42 237 5.6 1

Martin, TB. 53 209 3.9 1

Peterson, Min. 44 193 4.4 2

McFadden, Oak. 36 177 4.9 1

D. Williams, Car. 39 171 4.4 0

C. Johnson, Ten. 50 166 3.3 0

It's still early in the season, he's at least above Chris Johnson in yds. Generally, from what I've seen with running backs recently is that it's pointless to put so much money in them if they are going to be workhorse because they will probably be injured eventually and miss x amount of games. And if they aren't workhorse backs and they spilt carries then they aren't worth that amount of money anyways. I do think we could pay Williams less and we should. But, at least he's healthy and he's not Chris Johnson whose underperforming for 12 mill thus far.

Fantasy football may or may not have made me slightly skeptical of running backs lol.

[CRA]

So of the top 10 cap guys who is doing the best??  Williams

 

Sure you can look at guys on rookie contracts or guys who are underpaid but that is a whole different discussion.  Just admit it. Williams is doing very well and is a good value this year so far.  Then again you argue about everything so why would that change.......

 

people making too generous of statements is often why I get deemed a "hater".  Again, for the 57th time (not that it matters b/c you prove you don't actually read posts)I have stated Williams has ran well this year.

 

Williams is running well....he still isn't outperforming everyone.

 

For example, 302 total yards and 0 TDs is NOT outperforming 363 total yards and 3 TDs.  Now being that you are 55, you will not spin how 302 is better performance than 363 and 3 TDs 

 

Good value is good value.  Dallas Cowboys are getting good value at RB.  We have about 10-11 in cap dedicated to it this year and about 14 or so next year.    Rookie deals and underpaid guys isn't a different discussion...that is all some franchises believe is needed in the backfield. 

[nickzz]

i'm not understanding the notion that d-will isn't receiving any help from the o-line. it's not like he's breaking tackles or juking people in the backfield ala peterson/mccoy. he's running through the holes that are there. at this point in his career, he very rarely makes something out of nothing.

 

fact of the matter is RBs are a dime a dozen and i don't believe in paying them very much unless they're elite, which d-will is not.

[panthers55]

people making too generous of statements is often why I get deemed a "hater".  Again, for the 57th time (not that it matters b/c you prove you don't actually read posts)I have stated Williams has ran well this year.

 

Williams is running well....he still isn't outperforming everyone.

 

For example, 302 total yards and 0 TDs is NOT outperforming 363 total yards and 3 TDs.  Now being that you are 55, you will not spin how 302 is better performance than 363 and 3 TDs 

 

Good value is good value.  Dallas Cowboys are getting good value at RB.  We have about 10-11 in cap dedicated to it this year and about 14 or so next year.    Rookie deals and underpaid guys isn't a different discussion...that is all some franchises believe is needed in the backfield. 

 

 

The different discussion is because this was not a thread about who is the best value back for your money which is what you are making it. This was about whether Williams is doing a good job.  I put in the top 10 guys in cap space and that at number 10 but top 3 in production he was a relatively good value for the money.

 

Now somehow because DeSean McCoy is doing better and is cheaper somehow Williams is not a good back or a good value?????  That is a disconnect.  McCoy is a fantastic value but that doesn't negate Williams.  That is an apple and orange discussion.

 

As for AP versus Williams- AP costs roughly twice what Williams does.  Does he has twice the yards?  No.  Does he even have as high yards per carry?  No.  AP runs the ball in the redzone, Williams doesn't that often so TDs are not really that relevant given that Cam and Tolbert do the redzone work.  

 

Again though someone else doing better or being cheaper doesn't stop Williams from being a very good value. He just isn't the best value.

[CRA]

The different discussion is because this was not a thread about who is the best value back for your money which is what you are making it. This was about whether Williams is doing a good job. I put in the top 10 guys in cap space and that at number 10 but top 3 in production he was a relatively good value for the money.

Now somehow because DeSean McCoy is doing better and is cheaper somehow Williams is not a good back or a good value????? That is a disconnect. McCoy is a fantastic value but that doesn't negate Williams. That is an apple and orange discussion.

As for AP versus Williams- AP costs roughly twice what Williams does. Does he has twice the yards? No. Does he even have as high yards per carry? No. AP runs the ball in the redzone, Williams doesn't that often so TDs are not really that relevant given that Cam and Tolbert do the redzone work.

Again though someone else doing better or being cheaper doesn't stop Williams from being a very good value. He just isn't the best value.

You were the one claiming he was outperforming everyone on that list...

Like I said, over the top statement.

And those weren't AP's numbers I posted. They were Forte's. Chicago also had a goal line RB in Bush with more yards than Tolbert. He also got in the end zone on goal line carry last night....which pretty much eliminates the Tolbert arguement.

Forte is more well rounded....to date more productive. They have a goaline RB. What they don't have is another expensive RB on the roster in addition. So while he is more expensive than Williams....we are still spending more than Chicago on our RBs.

Williams is running well....but he is only a good value if his teammates are hurt. That has always been the issue. A healthy roster....means we have bad value in our backfield