Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

[nickzz]

What's the point in worrying about what Deangelo is or isn't getting paid right now? He's on the team this year. He's not going anywhere in 2013 and honestly he's playing well so why would we want him too. He's taking some pressure off of Cam, and running well enough to move the chains and keep our D rested. He's doing his job. I think he can still kick it into a higher gear later in the year like he historically has, if he does we will become very dangerous. We are way under the cap so Dwill did not keep us from signing FA's this year.

Everyone's argued the contracts of our RB's til their blue in the face, Hurney's gone, Gettleman's cleaning the mess up, so what's the point?. I think maybe we should be happy that Deangelo is on the field producing and helping the team unlike our other big contract guys Beason, Stew, and Godfrey. One of our running backs is top 5 in the league again finally. If he stays there we are going to win more games so I don't give a poo how much his game check was for Sunday. That's Gettleman's job to figure out next year.

I'm not worrying about anything. Just stating some of my football philosophy.

what's the point of talking about it because gettleman runs the team? We are fans. Its what we do. By your logic why would we talk about football at all, we have no say in the matters.

its not like I'm sitting here hoping for dwill to fail. I've had his jersey since his rookie year. I'm a huge fan.

I fuvking hate typing on phones god damn

[CRA]

Williams is a better value than Forte. Fact

so now as I said you would change the topic to now which team has the better value in the backfield.

Admit it . You are wrong. Williams is a better value than Forte.

Fact. My arguement has always been about the collective investment at RB. Williams only has good value when our backfield is hurt. When it is healthy has horrible value.

So yeah, 3 weeks into the season with a hurt backfield he has good value. Later in the year? It will be back to what it has been since he got the deal....poor value.

Enjoy your moment. The first half of the 2013 season will be the tiny portion of his contract where his value isn't poor.

[poorboysrev]

Because it isn't about the contract. This fanbase has been divided in the past few years. There are people who simply want #28 to be the guy. I get it and I understand. They use the contract as a Copout or an excuse to sort of bash him. There are fans who simply aren't a fan of his style. That was apparent when Stewie was put on the pup and people were calling for Barner to be the starter because he had an 8 yard run against Philly in the preseason and Dlo looked washed after 3 damn Carries in the same.game. It was very apparent then that there are fans who want the team to succeed but at the same time hope DeAngelo fails. It is obvious and when I see it I call them out on it. There is always a caveat or disclaimer when he performs well and it has become funny at this point. Well the defense was bad, he is just running through gaping holes, he got his yardage when the game was over, etc. Kurb just had a bogus a$$ post, "Still old, still overpaid." Why the hell are you worried about his money? Did his contract prevent us from signing some free agent this past offseason? worry about what he is doing on the field. He is being put in a position to succeed and he is doing that. #GoPanthers

Oh I know man. I agree with what you just said. To me this is the same as the guys on here bashing Cam when he loses then backhanding him when he does well. Certain people want to be right about points they made 4 years ago rather than be happy that a starter on their team Is producing. If he ran for 30 yds he's overpaid and sucks, He runs for 120, and its because our ALLPRO line is unstoppable and the other team wasn't trying to stop him at that point, and he's still overpaid and old. I'm going to go on a limb and say maybe as the game went and our passing game looked competent, their were more holes in the defense to run thru. Surprise

[panthers55]

Fact. My arguement has always been about the collective investment at RB. Williams only has good value when our backfield is hurt. When it is healthy has horrible value.

So yeah, 3 weeks into the season with a hurt backfield he has good value. Later in the year? It will be back to what it has been since he got the deal....poor value.

Enjoy your moment. The first half of the 2013 season will be the tiny portion of his contract where his value isn't poor.

So admit it.  Williams is a better value than Forte. No qualifiers or excuses.  Just admit it. You can't can you.

 

Just say you were wrong.  Go ahead, it could be a breakthrough......

[poorboysrev]

I'm not worrying about anything. Just stating some of my football philosophy.

what's the point of talking about it because gettleman runs the team? We are fans. Its what we do. By your logic why would we talk about football at all, we have no say in the matters.

its not like I'm sitting here hoping for dwill to fail. I've had his jersey since his rookie year. I'm a huge fan.

I fuvking hate typing on phones god damn

Gotcha man. I started answering your thread and then just was talking to the general discussion on here. I just meant that if a starter is on the field and producing that's all we can ask them to do and that I generally worry about cap numbers in the offseason

[poorboysrev]

I think fans are concerned about the money because if you can save cap space, do it! We're going to need that money eventually. I'm a fan of this team and hoping they have the best situation they can possibly have going forward. And having the most realistic amount of money saved for cap space is key to that. If we can save money in our backfield then we need to do that.

I gotcha, everyone wants a good salary cap. But we are 16 mil or so under the cap now already with Gettleman working on it just since February. Deangelo already restructured his cap hit. Beason's contract is a much bigger problem and Stewart's considering he's yet to take a snap. This year we need Deangelo to do what he's doing more than giving Gettleman an extra 5 million to sit on for the rest of the season. It's week 3, win now, worry about the offseason in the offseason

[panthers55]

Go ahead CRA admit you were wrong. You just can't can you????  Do ahead and change the subject again. And before you go there I readily admit I have been wrong before. It is no big deal for most people whose egos aren't tied up in this board.

[Panthro]

Williams is a better value than Forte. Fact

so now as I said you would change the topic to now which team has the better value in the backfield.

Admit it . You are wrong. Williams is a better value than Forte.

Not over the last 5 years.

[panthers55]

Not over the last 5 years.

Correct.  We aren't talking about the last five years just this year.  The point here is that Williams was clearly overpaid and underutilized since he signed his big contract.  That is not even up for debate.  The issue was that with the restructure and his current way of being used, he is clearly a good value now.  People constantly ragging on him need to re-examine things based on the present.

[poorboysrev]

Actually if you look at the best rushing teams in the last half decade or so....being good at that isn't the key to winning

QB and D are....hopefully Gettlemen going forward fixes this issue of RB love Carolina has fallen into

I just meant that the better Deangelo runs the less teams can just key on Cam.  same thing as Ginn stepping up, or Lafell.  IF our whole offense is Cam, Smith, and Olsen we will not win squat

[CRA]

Correct.  We aren't talking about the last five years just this year.  The point here is that Williams was clearly overpaid and underutilized since he signed his big contract.  That is not even up for debate.  The issue was that with the restructure and his current way of being used, he is clearly a good value now.  People constantly ragging on him need to re-examine things based on the present.

We are 3 games into the season.....and Barner and Stewart are hurt. A little premature with the Williams is finally a good value soapbox...

I mean right now Calvin Johnson isn't even in the top 10 in receiving yards for example....is he a bad value? No. Season has simply barely started.

Whatever happens, Williams will go down as a poor value over the course of his contract. Is that his fault? No...it is the fault of the organization that did exactly what you argued they should do....over invest at RB

[poorboysrev]

Not over the last 5 years.

       Let. The. Past. Go. we're talking 2013, right now. Our team is still very much in the hunt, why bitch about contracts right now? If Dwill was making 2.5 mil for the season then would 120 yds be a good game? If Cam had been in Chicago getting the same carries in the same system is production would be comparable. Period. Forte is not AP or something he's a good back as is Deangelo. It's 2 separate issues. How is us having a top 5 RB again a bad thing? I don't get some of you.

      If Barner or Tolbert, or should I dare even mention Stewart put up the same numbers people would blowing them on here. He's a Panther. That's playing well. So how come as a fan that does not make you happy? fugin crazy

[hepcat]

I'm sure J-Stew is healthy enough to play.  The PUP list was probably used to shelve him until later in the year when 30 year old Deangelo starts to wear down after having a big workload early in the year.  I expect Stewart to get a lot of work the final 8 games or so.  

[CRA]

Let. The. Past. Go. we're talking 2013, right now. Our team is still very much in the hunt, why bitch about contracts right now? If Dwill was making 2.5 mil for the season then would 120 yds be a good game? If Cam had been in Chicago getting the same carries in the same system is production would be comparable. Period. Forte is not AP or something he's a good back as is Deangelo. It's 2 separate issues. How is us having a top 5 RB again a bad thing? I don't get some of you.

If Barner or Tolbert, or should I dare even mention Stewart put up the same numbers people would blowing them on here. He's a Panther. That's playing well. So how come as a fan that does not make you happy? fugin crazy

It's the over the top comments that keep these type player threads going....

Everyone likes Williams in reality. Impossible to dislike him.

Our crazy front office is the only reason he gets put in a negative light at times

But to claim he is suddenly a top 5 RB now at age 30.....is basically like claiming Megatron and AJ Green aren't top 10 WRs bc there yardage a mere 3 games in doesn't have them ranked in the top 10.