David Newton has still got Rivera's back on that 4th and 1

[koolkatluke]

I'm saying that about 90% of that drive had nothing to do with our secondary. They were check downs to their RBs.

 

Which is a lie.

 

Rb caught 3 balls Stevie Johnson caught 3 + the pass interference.

 

[teeray]

1st and 10 at BUF 20 (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short left to S.Johnson pushed ob at BUF 28 for 8 yards (C.Jones). Caught in flat at BUF 21. 2nd and 2 at BUF 28 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short middle to C.Spiller to BUF 40 for 12 yards (L.Kuechly, T.Davis) [G.Hardy]. Dump pass, caught at BUF 28. 1st and 10 at BUF 40 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short middle to F.Jackson to CAR 46 for 14 yards (T.Davis). 1st and 10 at CAR 46 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass incomplete short right to F.Jackson (T.Davis). Receiver and coverage at CAR 47. 2nd and 10 at CAR 46 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short right to S.Johnson pushed ob at CAR 35 for 11 yards (D.Moore). 1st and 10 at CAR 35 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass incomplete short middle to C.Spiller [K.Short]. Off receiver's hands at CAR 32. 2nd and 10 at CAR 35 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short right to C.Spiller ran ob at CAR 31 for 4 yards. Caught along sideline at CAR 31. 3rd and 6 at CAR 31 (No Huddle, Shotgun) E.Manuel pass deep middle intended for S.Johnson INTERCEPTED by C.Jones at CAR 7. C.Jones to CAR 11 for 4 yards. PENALTY on CAR-L.Kuechly, Defensive Pass Interference, 20 yards, enforced at CAR 31 - No Play. 1st and 10 at CAR 11 (Shotgun) E.Manuel scrambles right end pushed ob at CAR 2 for 9 yards (C.Munnerlyn, L.Kuechly). 2nd and 1 at CAR 2 (Shotgun) E.Manuel pass short left to S.Johnson for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught 8 yds. into end zone. 23 23 D.Carpenter extra point is GOOD, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-S.Powell. 23 24 D.Carpenter kicks 25 yards from BUF 35 to CAR 40. C.Blackburn (didn't try to advance) to CAR 40 for no gain.

And Teeray since you keep saying this bullshit over and over about a lot of passes going to Rbs.

No more incomplete passes went to RB. Stevie Johnson caught 3 balls and cause the pass interference.

Also do you think it would have been better to have a DB covering the RB instead of Beason?? But that couldn't happen because we didn't have any more.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=330915002&period=4

A DB would probably never be covering the RB in a deep cover situation.

And also those two throws in the flat to Johnson would be there 90% of the time no matter who was covering him in that situation.

[koolkatluke]

And again I go back to the point where Ron himself said " I will be more aggressive". "We will only go as far as Cam will take us".

 

 

Then he takes the opportunity out of Cam's hands????

[koolkatluke]

A DB would probably never be covering the RB in a deep cover situation.

And also those two throws in the flat to Johnson would be there 90% of the time no matter who was covering him in that situation.

 

You are full of poo.

 

1st you say 90% of the plays were made by the RB. Not true.

 

2nd you think a DB wouldn't have a RB in deep coverage really??

 

3rd Do you think the fact there was a LB covering him that had to be 15 yards off the line (because LB can't cover WRs)  had anything to do with Johnson being so open??  You don't think a DB could have maybe had a better chance at slowing Johnson down more then a hurt LB???

[Shufdog]

Hey Zod! What happened to that 24hr rule???

[teeray]

You are full of poo.

1st you say 90% of the plays were made by the RB. Not true.

2nd you think a DB wouldn't have a RB in deep coverage really??

3rd Do you think the fact there was a LB covering him that had to be 15 yards off the line (because LB can't cover WRs) had anything to do with Johnson being so open?? You don't think a DB could have maybe had a better chance at slowing Johnson down more then a hurt LB???

I didn't say 90% was plays by the RB. Learn how to read. I did say most of the catches were made by the RBs but maybe I should have said most of the targets were to the RBs. I will give that one to you if it makes you feel better

If you are playing deep zone with safeties deep like you normally would in those situations then usually the RB which is the check down isn't going to be covered by a DB. The DBs will be responsible for deep coverage, not 5 yard check downs. Why would you want a DB trying to tackle Freddie Jackson?

If you are playing deep coverage trying to keep the ball in front of you, quick outs like the ones Johnson caught will be open almost every time. A defense will give that up all day until you get inside the 15 or so yard line.

Outside of the last play the secondary had very little to do with that drive.

[koolkatluke]

I'm saying that about 90% of that drive had nothing to do with our secondary. They were check downs to their RBs.

 

Simple Reading Comprehension.

 

The way you posted this is inferring that most of the plays were dump off to RB's.   Which again wasn't true.

[teeray]

Simple Reading Comprehension.

The way you posted this is inferring that most of the plays were dump off to RB's. Which again wasn't true.

Actually most of the plays were dump offs to the RBs just some of them were incompletions and besides the 90% was in relation to the drive as a whole and was also a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally.

[koolkatluke]

I didn't say 90% was plays by the RB. Learn how to read. I did say most of the catches were made by the RBs but maybe I should have said most of the targets were to the RBs. I will give that one to you if it makes you feel better

If you are playing deep zone with safeties deep like you normally would in those situations then usually the RB which is the check down isn't going to be covered by a DB. The DBs will be responsible for deep coverage, not 5 yard check downs. Why would you want a DB trying to tackle Freddie Jackson?

If you are playing deep coverage trying to keep the ball in front of you, quick outs like the ones Johnson caught will be open almost every time. A defense will give that up all day until you get inside the 15 or so yard line.

Outside of the last play the secondary had very little to do with that drive.

 

Exactly right because we didn't have a secondary.

 

If we would have had more healthy DB's then Beason wouldn't have been on the field.

 

Honestly TD might not have been on the field nor 1 Dlinemen. But since we didn't have healthy DB's. We couldn't play a dime nor a nickle. Which is the reason it was a dumb decision by Ron.

[teeray]

Exactly right because we didn't have a secondary.

If we would have had more healthy DB's then Beason wouldn't have been on the field.

Honestly TD might not have been on the field nor 1 Dlinemen. But since we didn't have healthy DB's. We couldn't play a dime nor a nickle. Which is the reason it was a dumb decision by Ron.

I'm not going to fight you all night on this, but correct me if I am wrong but on the last drive they only had one completion for 8 yards on Beason's side and it was a pass that no matter who was over there would have likely given them that play anyway.

And also the reason Emanuel had to keep checking down was because down field coverage was good.

[koolkatluke]

I'm not going to fight you all night on this, but correct me if I am wrong but on the last drive they only had one completion for 8 yards on Beason's side and it was a pass that no matter who was over there would have likely given them that play anyway.

And also the reason Emanuel had to keep checking down was because down field coverage was good.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong if we had enough healthy DB's we might have played a Dime??

 

 

Or would Beason even be on the field on the last drive if we had a healthy secondary??

 

Also did Stevie Johnson have more effect on the drive then you originally stated??

 

Didn't he have more catches on that drive then any RBs?

 

 

[nickzz]

anyone who thinks it was the correct call knows nothing about panthers football and probably didn't watch a second of the game before that play.

[rayzor]

With a spate of the injuries in the secondary, the Panthers were unable to use their nickel package for a portion of the third quarter. That left Beason matched up against Bills wideout Stevie Johnson.

 

Johnson beat Beason on an inside move and got free for a 45-yard reception to the Panthers’ 10, setting up a touchdown. Normally, Beason would have been on the sideline and the Panthers would have had a defensive back on Johnson.

 

Johnson’s catch was one of five that Bills rookie quarterback EJ Manuel completed – in five attempts – throwing to receivers covered by Beason, according to Pro Football Focus. The completions went for 112 yards, including 87 yards after the catch.

 

Johnson gained 35 yards after his catch against Beason.

 

“People can look into stats all they want to,” Beason said. “I know I’ve got to play better, and that’s what it boils down to.”

 

Beason blamed poor technique and biting on play fakes for some of his coverage issues. But he also conceded his knee is giving him problems.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/18/3207525/jon-beason-battling-through-pain.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/18/3207525/jon-beason-battling-through-pain.html

 

 

[MHS831]

On some days, with some teams, the FG is the right call.

Rivera's problem is he doesn't seem to know his team's history.  He is like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.