Are Cam and Rivera adjoined at the hip?

[MHS831]

No I wouldn't give Cam Eli money right now. I'm curious though, which QB in his third year or less would you give Eli money to?

 

I am giving the Gettlemen perspective from what we know if him through his actions and comments.  He would probably feel comfortable giving that kind or money to second year QBs- Andrew Luck, maybe Tanneyhill, and maybe Kaepernick because he has shown to be effective in the pocket. 

 

There are only about 10 starting QBs on first contracts, so that is a rather large number.  I firmly believe that Gettlemen has no interest in the Vicks and RGIIIs. 

 

My point was this:  Cam is going to have to improve in the pocket before Gettlemen makes him rich.  He is not going to give $120 million to what he sees as a gimmick.

 

Just speculation.  I hope Cam has the support (players and coaches) and shows everyone he can do it.

[tiger7_88]

 

Personally, though, I can't see any new head coach wanting to get rid of Cam Newton as his QB. Cam has made a big impact on the league so far. He's thrown for over 8,000 yards, 43 TDs, and a 1,500 rushing yards and 22 TDs. 

 

 

This is really all that needs to be said.

 

Wait, no... I'm sorry.

 

CAM OVERTHREW A RECEIVER BURN HIM BURN HIM BURN HIM!!!!~111!!

[tiger7_88]

However, from Gettlemen''s perspective, which is what I offered, he (apparently) thinks Cam has the weapons and protection

 

 

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).

[MHS831]

When I first heard his comments about Cam "winning", I was taken aback a bit until I read it in the context that it was conveniently taken out of. If you are going to present that quote it is important to do so in it's entirety.

 

 

On this "pocket passer" talk. If that's what we have planned, shoehorning Cam into an offense that doesn't fit him, then not only are we wasting our time, we are wasting his. I seriously hope that isn't what our GM is doing.

 

 

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context.  Winning is the only context.

 

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM.  And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.

[rodeo]

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context.  Winning is the only context.

 

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM.  And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.

 

Expecting your QB to start winning while at the same time refusing to upgrade one of the the worst o-lines in Panthers history makes you either a fuging idiot or a disingenuous asshole.

 

[rodeo]

Btw, the last time Cam left the field, we were winning.

 

But I guess it's Cam's fault we lost, even though the GM who told him to start winning refused to upgrade the secondary that lost us the game.

[TheRed]

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context. Winning is the only context.

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM. And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.

I'll have to look. Joe Person tried to twist it all into a big story by describing a "pregnant pause" from Gettleman.

There were numerous threads about this. There was definitely more to it.

[d-dave]

Preach it brother teeray!

I love how worked up y'all get over things you don't know.. I love to speculate too, but there is a point where you have to trust those who are paid to make decisions.

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[MHS831]

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).

 

I agree, but I think he is looking at the QB position as the one that makes everyone else better, not the other way around.  Take Peyton Manning.  He had 1 solid WR, a weak line for the most part, and a solid RB with Faulk and James.  He had Clark as a TE, but how much of his success was due to the QB?.  The defense was usually weak.  He made marginal, below average WRs and TEs look great.  Collie?  Garcon?  He had Saturday at C (who was cut early in his career) and never had a LT after Glenn retired. 

 

He won 10 games a year for a decade.

 

Eli and the Giants rarely spend money or high draft picks on an OL.  He had some good players out wide, but had a questionable running game at times.  Cruz was undrafted, Jacobs a 4th rounder, Bradshaw a seventh rounder.  Where was the focus?  On the defense.  Eli has 2 rings.

 

Gettlemen has shown the same philosophy.  I am not sure he wants a QB he has to make better with supporting players and force into a system that he does not think is successful when he has seen success by QB who makes average players better. 

 

Just trying to figure the guy out.

[MHS831]

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).

triple post

[MHS831]

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).

 

 

Lotta people getting mad, but if you consider Gettlemen's past, his comments (he seems to be true to them) and his actions, it is easy to think he is not interested in developing the offense under Rivera.   It seems plausible that he is saving his resources for next year, when it is possible that he spends the cap room on offense after he gets a new coach.

 

Why so many 1-year contracts?  Money, yes.  But is he waiting to build the foundation in 2014? 

 

Why develop the 10th ranked defense and do very little to change the 25th ranked offense?

 

Take a look at this year's (2014) draft--pretty stacked at WR and QB--there are several pocket passers. 

 

This is making people mad, but the pattern is there.  If you were a GM with a lame duck coach, what would you do?  It makes no sense not to surround Cam with talent?  Why would you protect your franchise QB with Bell and Garry Williams/Scott/Wharton?  Maybe you do not see him as a franchise QB.....

 

Nobody knows.

 

[MHS831]

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).

 

I agree, but I think he is looking at the QB position as the one that makes everyone else better, not the other way around.  Take Peyton Manning.  He had 1 solid WR, a weak line for the most part, and a solid RB with Faulk and James.  He had Clark as a TE, but how much of his success was due to the QB?.  The defense was usually weak.  He made marginal, below average WRs and TEs look great.  Collie?  Garcon?  He had Saturday at C (who was cut early in his career) and never had a LT after Glenn retired. 

 

He won 10 games a year for a decade.

 

Eli and the Giants rarely spend money or high draft picks on an OL.  He had some good players out wide, but had a questionable running game at times.  Cruz was undrafted, Jacobs a 4th rounder, Bradshaw a seventh rounder.  Where was the focus?  On the defense.  Eli has 2 rings.

 

Gettlemen has shown the same philosophy.  I am not sure he wants a QB he has to make better with supporting players and force into a system that he does not think is successful when he has seen success by QB who makes average players better. 

 

Just trying to figure the guy out.

[MHS831]

Expecting your QB to start winning while at the same time refusing to upgrade one of the the worst o-lines in Panthers history makes you either a fuging idiot or a disingenuous asshole.

 

 

Polian did it when Peyton was in Indy.  Peyton can read so quickly, blitzing and even stunting puts you at a disadvantage.  He had one of the worst lines in the NFL and was touched the fewest.

Is it possible that Gettlemen is waiting to surround his new coach and new QB with personnel that fit them? 

 

Can you think of a better reason Gettlemen seems to have ignored the offense (besides no money or draft picks)?

[TheRed]

 

yasinkas steve reed was there for gettleman's presser where joe "spin doctor" person came up with this whole "it's time for cam to start winning" crap got started.

 

here is a little something that person likes to leave out...context and complete comments, per yas reed.

 

joe person is trying to stir poo up, per usual, and people really bit.

 

is it time to start winning? absolutely.

is he doubting that cam is the guy to lead the franchise? absolutely not.

is he putting it all on cam? absolutely not...unless you are buying what person is trying to spin.

 

moral of the story...don't believe the spin that person tries feeding people. there's always a lot more to the story and a lot that he leaves out because it doesn't create the headlines he wants.

 

EDIT: apparently it was steve reed who wrote the article for the AP which yas put in his blog or something. credit definitely goes to reed, one of a couple class acts like JJ who cover the panthers. 

big props to newb vucifer in pointing that out.

 

 

 

GM confident in Cam Newton

Associated Press

SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman said quarterback Cam Newton is a player he can build the franchise around.

But Gettleman is quick to add "but now it's time to win."

In Gettleman's view, Newton has had the best first two seasons of any QB in NFL history, but said that gets lost on people "because of the elephant in the room, which is his 13-19 record" as a starter.

In two seasons Newton has thrown for 7,920 yards and 40 touchdowns with 29 interceptions. He's also run for 1,447 yards and 22 TDs.

He was named AP Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2011.

Newton's contract runs through the 2014 season and Carolina has an option to pick up another year in 2015. The Panthers would also have the option to use the franchise tag on Newton in 2016 if they haven't reached a long-term agreement prior to that point.

Gettleman said the Panthers are in no hurry to extend Newton's contract right now.

"Technically you have rights to him for six years," Gettleman said. "... I'm a big believer in letting nature take its course. Things will happen naturally."

Newton has taken a good bit of criticism for his leadership ability during his first two seasons, but Gettleman doesn't seem concerned about that.

He believes Newton will mature into an outstanding quarterback and team leader.

"It will take time," Gettleman said. "I'm new and I've made some mistakes, too. I've had days here where I wanted to punch myself. (But) he is bright. He works his fanny off. There's no reason that he can't continue to ascend and I think he will."

On the field, Gettleman said he couldn't be more impressed with Newton, who has dropped about 12 pounds in preparation for this season.

Newton had a rough day on Tuesday, throwing a pair of interceptions during team drills but otherwise has been sharp since practice began last Friday.

Coach Ron Rivera said Newton was late on one throw to the sidelines that was intercepted and didn't make the right read quick enough on another downfield pass resulting in a pick.

"Those are things we need to get corrected," Rivera said.

Gettleman said people need to be patient with Newton and understand that he's only in his third year and it takes time to adjust to playing quarterback in the NFL.

"He's really physically gifted obviously," Gettleman said. "He's gotten better and he keeps improving. What you're looking for is ascension, and he consistently does it. He's had a good training camp. It's a maturation process."

Gettleman, who was hired away from the New York Giants in January, compares Newton to Eli Manning.

Manning was 12-11 in his first two seasons in New York, but didn't win a playoff game until his fourth season when he led the Giants all the way to a Super Bowl championship.

"It was Eli's fourth year and he really came on at playoff time and was a Pro Bowl quarterback," Gettleman said. "So it takes time."

Gettleman also knows that he needs to put the right pieces in place around Newton.

He said that has been a work in progress.

He inherited a team that was more than $16 million over the NFL salary cap. He asked several players with big deals to restructure their contracts and others to take outright pay cuts.

Gettleman said it wasn't an easy task asking established players to take home less money, but said it was something that needed to be done for the team to get where it needs to go.

"Presented properly and being honest, being direct and laying the cards on the table and letting everyone step away and think about it, I think that was the key," Gettleman said of his approach to asking players to reduce their pay. "I'm a very direct person. It's the way I'm built. And I think players appreciate that. I'm honest and direct."

Gettleman also had to make tough decisions to release starting cornerback Chris Gamble and linebacker James Anderson.

Among the players who restructured their deals or took outright pay cuts this offseason included running backs DeAngelo Williamsand Jonathan Stewart, offensive lineman Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil, tight end Greg Olsen and linebacker Jon Beason.

"It tells me that guys understand the grass isn't always greener," Gettleman said. "This is a heck of an organization. Players are treated top shelf here."

 

http://espn.go.com/n...ence-cam-newton

 

I found the thread and article that sheds more light on that "it's time to win" quote. Thanks to Rayzor.

 

Typical Joe Person journalism.

 

 

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context.  Winning is the only context.

 

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM.  And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.