Are Cam and Rivera adjoined at the hip?

[rodeo]

Polian did it when Peyton was in Indy.  Peyton can read so quickly, blitzing and even stunting puts you at a disadvantage.  He had one of the worst lines in the NFL and was touched the fewest.

Is it possible that Gettlemen is waiting to surround his new coach and new QB with personnel that fit them? 

 

Can you think of a better reason Gettlemen seems to have ignored the offense (besides no money or draft picks)?

 

Great, so all we need is the greatest QB of all time. Who knew it was so easy!

[teeray]

Some people act like Cam has played like hot garbage these last two years.

It would be one thing if I were defending Clausen or a guy like Gabbert.

This guy is averaging over 30 total TDs a season so far.

[MHS831]

Great, so all we need is the greatest QB of all time. Who knew it was so easy!

 

Rodeo, I agree with you, I am just connecting the dots.  Maybe I am totally wrong, but Gettlemen's actions and comments suggest that he is loading his guns to address the offense in 2014.  He simply did not want to do it until he had his coach.  Jerry may have endorsed RR, but I do not think Gettlemen sees him as a legit coach.  I think the neglect of the offense was intentional and obvious.  I am surpirsed others have not seen it.  His intentions seem to be hiding in plain sight.

 

If Gettlemen thought Cam was his franchise QB, wouldn;t he have brought in some OL and better WRs?  Why are we forcing him to become a pocket passer when Gettlemen has expressed his opinion about winning QBs?  This is Cam's audition year, quite possibly. 

 

Did you get the feeling that 80% of his attention was on the defense?  The offense was ranked 25th and he brings in about 10 free agents and drafts offense only in the fourth and sixth rounds?

 

Gettlemen is going to enter 2014 with about $25 million in cap room, a new coach with a new offense, and possibly a slew of draft picks.  Unless Cam turns the corner quickly, I have little doubt that the writing is on the wall--maybe I am wrong, time will tell. 

[mav1234]

Some people act like Cam has played like hot garbage these last two years.

It would be one thing if I were defending Clausen or a guy like Gabbert.

This guy is averaging over 30 total TDs a season so far.

 

yet he still hasn't changed his skin color.

 

oops.  i went there.

 

edit: ok.. so no I don't think all of this stuff about Cam is based on racism, but I think that there is some weird undertones going on that I can't figure out.  This is not some shitty quarterback.  Where's the Bradford hate in the national media?  It's not like that dude is winning playoff games either.  Why is Cam getting poo on?

 

Despite the fact that TONS OF PEOPLE poo on him hard before the draft, the fact he did so well in his rookie year means people think that if he isn't dominating the entire fuging league by the time he's 25 he is a flop because, well he's big and strong and hurr he had 40 TDs but can't win the games when it counts or something stupid. the reality is he embarrassed TONS of people by being good because he broke the mold of what you'd "expect" out of a quarterback in a lot of ways (I'll leave that up to each of you to figure out what mold he was breaking exactly, but it's way too simplistic to point it all on race like I did)

 

Cam has legit issues but they seem far more a focus than any other young QB that has done as well as Cam has... so... sup with that?

[jarhead]

Lotta people getting mad, but if you consider Gettlemen's past, his comments (he seems to be true to them) and his actions, it is easy to think he is not interested in developing the offense under Rivera.   It seems plausible that he is saving his resources for next year, when it is possible that he spends the cap room on offense after he gets a new coach.

 

Why so many 1-year contracts?  Money, yes.  But is he waiting to build the foundation in 2014? 

 

Why develop the 10th ranked defense and do very little to change the 25th ranked offense?

 

Take a look at this year's (2014) draft--pretty stacked at WR and QB--there are several pocket passers. 

 

This is making people mad, but the pattern is there.  If you were a GM with a lame duck coach, what would you do?  It makes no sense not to surround Cam with talent?  Why would you protect your franchise QB with Bell and Garry Williams/Scott/Wharton?  Maybe you do not see him as a franchise QB.....

 

Nobody knows.

Thank you for jumping in and getting the post on topic. The topic was about Gettemen and his vision of the franchise moving forward. Like you I find it interesting if Cam was his guy why has he done so little to surround him by better talent.

 

Red - You are so lucky to be able to hide behind a computer. In the world that I have spent the last 20 years you would be getting your ass beat on an hourly basis due to your arrogance and lack of social etiquette . 

[rodeo]

Rodeo, I agree with you, I am just connecting the dots.  Maybe I am totally wrong, but Gettlemen's actions and comments suggest that he is loading his guns to address the offense in 2014.  He simply did not want to do it until he had his coach.  Jerry may have endorsed RR, but I do not think Gettlemen sees him as a legit coach.  I think the neglect of the offense was intentional and obvious.  I am surpirsed others have not seen it.  His intentions seem to be hiding in plain sight.

 

If Gettlemen thought Cam was his franchise QB, wouldn;t he have brought in some OL and better WRs?  Why are we forcing him to become a pocket passer when Gettlemen has expressed his opinion about winning QBs?  This is Cam's audition year, quite possibly. 

 

Did you get the feeling that 80% of his attention was on the defense?  The offense was ranked 25th and he brings in about 10 free agents and drafts offense only in the fourth and sixth rounds?

 

Gettlemen is going to enter 2014 with about $25 million in cap room, a new coach with a new offense, and possibly a slew of draft picks.  Unless Cam turns the corner quickly, I have little doubt that the writing is on the wall--maybe I am wrong, time will tell. 

 

He's neglected the secondary just as much as he's neglected the offense, though. You could make all these same arguments that maybe Luke isn't his type of MLB. If Gettleman thought Luke was a franchise MLB, wouldn't he be upgrading the secondary backing him up instead of jump bumping Lester from the practice squad and washing his hands of it?

 

See how freaking silly that sounds? It's jumping to a completely illogical conclusion. Obviously Gettleman refusing to upgrade the secondary has nothing to do with his opinion of Luke. Why, then, is this conspiracy theory about Gettleman not upgrading the o-line being because of his opinion of Cam any different?

 

The fact is none of us know why Gettleman is doing what he's doing. It's all guesswork and prognostication. Yet this guesswork comes at the same time as 10 fuging threads on the front page "criticizing" Cam for us being 0-2 as if it's his fault despite all the holes left on the roster.

 

The last time Cam left the field in Buffalo, we were ahead. As I recall, Luke cost us the game. Where are his 10 threads? "Are Rivera and Kuechly adjoined at the hip?"

 

This poo is stupid. This fanbase is stupid.

 

[mc52beast]

Give Cam some competent coaches and DG could sit back and drink margaritas all day long... looking for a change in coaching, not the QB.

[TheRed]

Red - You are so lucky to be able to hide behind a computer. In the world that I have spent the last 20 years you would be getting your ass beat on an hourly basis due to your arrogance and lack of social etiquette .

Well we've got a certified internet bad ass here folks. Don't agree with jarhead? He'll threaten to kick your ass.

I'm shaking in my boots big guy. If you can't win the argument, make empty threats. Winning strategy there.

[rodeo]

Well we've got a certified internet bad ass here folks. Don't agree with jarhead? He'll threaten to kick your ass.

I'm shaking in my boots big guy. If you can't win the argument, make empty threats. Winning strategy there.

 

What the fug did you just fuging say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fug out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fuging words. You think you can get away with saying that poo to me over the Internet? Think again, fuger. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fuging dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little poo. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fuging tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will poo fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fuging dead, kiddo.

[iamhubby1]

I love all you mother-fugers. And I don't have an IP address. Cuz I use over the air internet. Yea, that's the ticket.

Hog mollies allow you to compete. But it is the skill players that get you the wins. On this team, we have very few skill players, or quality hog mollies.

IF Rivera is gone and Gettlemen hires a new coach. That coach will have to have a plan on how to best utilize Cam. Or that coach better have an OC he trusts to best utilize Cam. Cam IS OUR FUTURE. If you don't believe that...there is no helping you.

At this point in time. Cam is being hindered by Coaching, a not so good O-line, and a lack of skill position players. Until all that changes. Cam will be crucified as a loser because he cannot single handedly lead this sad sack of a team to the playoffs.

Cam will be a Panther long after our next coach comes and goes. Unless that next coach has THE PLAN, or an OC with THE PLAN.

Just stop with all this Cam is gone stuff. Our next coach better have a Cam plan or he won't be our next coach. Simple and Plain enough?

[koolkatluke]

This thread should have ended already. I've already showed that most 1st round QB with any success can go thru 2 or 3 coaches before they are given up on.

 

 

 

Another example :

 

How many coaches was Jason Campbell not attached to???

[TheRed]

Welp..........

[FootballMaestro]

I think Dave Gettlemen, or even Stevie Wonder can see Ron Rivera has way more to do with the Panthers problems than Cam Newton. I'm certain of that. 

 

Ironically, if Rivera would have actually tried to score on that last drive (instead of trying to run the clock out) last week, Cam could have had 3 TD's 1 INT, and 280 yds with a win, and the Panthers 2-1 now. Would anyone have questioned Cam's game then? Of course not. They'd be cheering him. But that's the difference between a good head coach, and game plan. 

 

These things aren't perfect (lots of "ebb & flow", and variation). And Cam's HC didn't even give him a chance to extend a lead in a game (last week), cause his HC, Rivera thought a 3-6 pt lead was good enough. It was insane. SMH

 

That's on the HC. And I"m sure DG can see that. It's only the OP's feelings, being transferred to DG, I feel. 

 

Cam's safe, and always has been. 

[Lords0fPain]

I don't think so, but Cam has to improve to stick around. DG can give him more time and build the supporting cast, if it doesn't work out he gets his own QB and puts him in a good situation.

I love Cam, but he has to get better in several areas or we need to part ways.

 

He needs to used properly, the best QBs have freedom to what they do best, not when they are square pegs being forced in round holes...P Manning, Farve, Elway, Rogers, brees....don't think it MUST take years to get there. Cam (and everyone around him) does well, when he has the freedom.....