Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

[teeray]

BTW it is early but the Bills have faced Cam and Brady to this point and have only given up 4 TDs in 26 defensive possessions (we had 12 possessions and Pats had 14) That is pretty strong. The two Brady TDs I believe came off of short fields after turnovers (something we couldn't do :()

The Bills defense is better than people think, or at least so far they have looked pretty good.

[philp]

our offense has no consistency yet we blame Cam for everything. the seahawks, 49ers, or the redskins would trade their QBs for Cam in a heartbeat. its not Cams fault our offense is like watching a monkey try build a nuclear weapon.

 

wrong

[rayzor]

Somebody on this very board told me that once teams have enough tape to study on EJ Manuel his game is going to ( sic) go to hell.  Same may have happened with Newton, though I have said repeatedly on this forum that I believe Newtons biggest problem is having coaches who know how to use him effectively.

 

before cam got here he had never had the same OC two years in a row. no consistency in coaching.

 

from year one to year two, even tho he had the same OC, chud did the ol' bait and switch on the team and totally changed things up heading into the second season.

 

and then half way through that miserable experiment he changed again, reverting to what they were doing the previous year that actually worked. still, tho, no consistency from one year to another.

 

year three, new OC. new philosophy, even tho it's with the same playbook. shula turns him from a big play guy to a game manager and totally takes him out of his element. again...no consistency.

 

rivera promoted shula for continuity's sake, but guess what...it hasn't been there. no consistency. no continuity.

 

so yeah...cam is struggling.

 

instead of reaching his potential and helping us win games we should win, his head coach is handing games over to the other team AND recreating cam into a game manager.

[Former Bill On Vacation]

I've worried in the past about Newton becoming a victim of the 'David Carr Effect'.

Whatever potential Carr had to be a great quarterback was largely beaten out of him because 1) the Texans did a horrible job developing him 2) playing behind a bad offensive line effectively erased whatever progress he'd had by reinforcing the bad habits he'd revert to when he was under constant pressure and 3) too much was asked of him too soon.

There comes a point where he's not just hurting now, but actually ruined for the long term.

I don't want to see us reach that point :(

 

 

I mentioned that a few times as well here- once right after your game against us on this past Sunday.

[Former Bill On Vacation]

I've worried in the past about Newton becoming a victim of the 'David Carr Effect'.

Whatever potential Carr had to be a great quarterback was largely beaten out of him because 1) the Texans did a horrible job developing him 2) playing behind a bad offensive line effectively erased whatever progress he'd had by reinforcing the bad habits he'd revert to when he was under constant pressure and 3) too much was asked of him too soon.

There comes a point where he's not just hurting now, but actually ruined for the long term.

I don't want to see us reach that point :(

 

 

I mentioned that a few times as well here- once right after your game against us on this past Sunday.

[TheRed]

wrong

 

Oh my, I'm not sure anyone is gong to be able to refute this strong well thought out analysis.

[Squirrel]

Bring in guys that haven't been passed over for a head coaching position like a dozen times (Rivera), haven't failed everywhere else they've been (Shula), and a QB coach who has actually coached at all before (Dorsey).

 

 

We wasn't going to get anyone this year with experience with Rivera on the hot seat.  Our WR coach never coached before either.

[MaineManPanther]

Also mentioned:

"Asked repeatedly on the taping -- on behalf of agitated fantasy football drones -- why Newton's rushing attempts have dried up, Cosell said: "The running is great, but, sooner or later, you can't be a high-level NFL quarterback without throwing the ball with consistency. This is not a fantasy issue, this is just football."

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[TheRed]

We wasn't going to get anyone this year with experience with Rivera on the hot seat.  Our WR coach never coached before either.

 

That's a load of crap, I'm not buying that. We went cheap. Plain and simple.

 

Yeah our receivers outside Steve Smith and Greg Olsen sure are lighting it up out there.

[philp]

Oh my, I'm not sure anyone is gong to be able to refute this strong well thought out analysis.

 

umm it's already been discussed.  do you really think seattle would trade wilson for cam?

[panthers55]

After reviewing the first two weeks' game tape, here is what Cosell had to say. It ain't good.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247621/article/greg-cosell-no-consistency-to-cam-newtons-play?campaign=Twitter_atl

I think this speaks to the quality of his coaches, because I don't think anyone questions Cam's work ethic or desire to improve.

I was listening to NFL Sirius in this afternoon and a caller was saying that he believed that coaches were the reason Cam was struggling.  Dan Koppin, a pro bowl center who played most of his career with Brady said that coaching might be a part of it, but in the end it is up to the player to do the things he has been coached to do.  Coaching can only do so much, the player has to put in the work and watch the film and work tirelessly to improve.

 

So if you believe that all his coaches over the years have done nothing to help his mechanics, footwork, and have not pointed out how to read secondaries and read defenses then it is the coaches.  If you believe no one has helped him to understand what to do, then it is the coaches.  If you think Cam is lying when he said this week that he has lots of input into what they run each week and the gameplanning, then it must be the coaches.

 

If you don't believe that, then what is left.??..............  Koppin says it is the player.  Believe what you want.....

[TheRed]

umm it's already been discussed.  do you really think seattle would trade wilson for cam?

 

Have you personally spoken to their GM? Was it over lunch?

[philp]

Have you personally spoken to their GM? Was it over lunch?

 

whatever tough guy lol.  please take your homer glasses off.  

[Squirrel]

That's a load of crap, I'm not buying that. We went cheap. Plain and simple.

 

Yeah our receivers outside Steve Smith and Greg Olsen sure are lighting it up out there.

 

 

Sure going after Norv Turner was being cheap.

 

Well if Cam would throw the ball to the other receivers maybe they would be.  Just like how Ginn scored in Buffalo.