Should Ron Rivera be standing up for Cam?

[AceBoogie]

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I have never heard anything from Rivera except praise of Cam Newton.

Not too long ago some people here on the Huddle were wondering if he was coddling him too much.

Smh

There is a difference between praising and standing up for someone. Never said he was too hard on cam. If you guys actually read the damn op you would stop making comments that have nothing to do with what I said.

[teeray]

I think in those situations it is better to not acknowledge those type of things at all.

 

And Rivera has been asked critical questions about Cam before and has defended him.  But I don't see a big positive in Rivera going out of his way to address every critic and what they have to say about Cam.

 

Saying he has been great is defense enough

 

[WildCats]

I think we should stop talking about all the negatives and just call the prayer hotline for this team. Im tired of losing. I'm tired of waiting on something good to happen. But everyday I wake up knowing there is light at the end of every tunnel. I'm still holding on. Im praying Rivera lead these men to the promise land. Praying for that day I can give a pelvic thrust to all the haters who doubted us, hated on us, and the ones who took us as a joke. That day is going to come. Until then I'll will be in BOA stadium turnt up waiting for it to happen.

Sorry I just had to vent real quick after Sunday just sitting there waiting for something to happen still after everyone was leaving and me still being in denial we just loss. But don't get it twisted my motto is still TURN DOWN FOR WHAT. Keep pounding huddle

[Mr. Scot]

You don't know me you'd be surprised. I don't come with agendas. If you can change my mind do so I welcome it.

 

A guy who's been trying to find ways to blame the defense for that loss doesn't have an agenda  Right :rolleyes:

 

As far as Rivera, you might wanna take note that he always says "we" when talking about what went wrong and what needs fixed.

 

You might also notice that players, including Newton, enthusiastically support him.  Guess those guys must just really enjoy being thrown under the bus, huh?

 

As others have pointed out, Rivera is always full of praise for Newton, and he has better things to do than go run after every member of the media who said something that might hurt his feelings.  Heck, Newton himself rarely responds to that stuff.  he ignores it, as he well should.

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

There are many good candidates today but that might be a candidate for stupidest post of the day.

 

Quite frankly, It's all psychological,  PR, and relationship based (what I wrote/should be from Rivera, in the spirit of the post). 

 

But I guess you wouldn't understand. And that's fine. 

[FootballMaestro]

You get it man most don't get what my post is about. Look at how Harbaugh defends Kaep you mention damn Kaep in a sentence your going to have to hear from him. It's open season on Cam because nobody is standing up and making these ass holes accountable.

Greenbay said if Kaep runs the option we are going to hit him.

Harbaugh wasn't having that poo not only did he back his qb he took the option out the game plan and let kaep ball.

We've had damn hello kitty cartoons of our qb and that's in his own damn city.

 

Yeah, it's true. 

 

Look at how Indy (Bruce Arians) let Luck ring the ball out last year, despite all his mistakes. And guess what, they won.

 

To what you're saying: Rivera hasn't figured out yet, a lot of backing your QB is psychological. So sometimes you have to do/say dumb things (or respond to do dumb things), in order to keep your QB confident. Now of course we can say, both Smith and Kaep need constant confidence. However, at least the QB knows the coach has their back at all times as well. I would agree. Rivera has been AWOL many times, especially when Cam had a tough first half, and we all knew why, and he said nothing to defend Cam to both the local and national media. 

 

And I just had a guy tell me I wrote a "dumb post", cause I said he should have made sure Cam got 4000 again to end the season. However, a lot of the "Sophomore slump" criticism would have went away, if Cam would have gotten those measly extra 150 or so yards. That's what defined it to many people the yards. 

 

Somehow, I don't see Arians, Harbaugh, or any of those HC's not allowing their QB to get it, if they're that close. And I'm not talking about artificially getting it either. I'm talking about in the game plan the last 5-6  games in the season, instead of slowing down the offense, once the Panthers got a big early lead (whether they ended up losing the game or not). 

[AceBoogie]

Yeah, it's true.

Look at how Indy (Bruce Arians) let Luck ring the ball out last year, despite all his mistakes. And guess what, they won.

To what you're saying: Rivera hasn't figured out yet, a lot of backing your QB is psychological. So sometimes you have to do/say dumb things (or respond to do dumb things), in order to keep your QB confident. Now of course we can say, both Smith and Kaep need constant confidence. However, at least the QB knows the coach has their back at all times as well. I would agree. Rivera has been AWOL many times, especially when Cam had a tough first half, and we all knew why, and he said nothing to defend Cam to both the local and national media.

And I just had a guy tell me I wrote a "dumb post", cause I said he should have made sure Cam got 4000 again to end the season. However, a lot of the "Sophomore slump" criticism would have went away, if Cam would have gotten those measly extra 150 or so yards. That's what defined it to many people the yards.

Somehow, I don't see Arians, Harbaugh, or any of those HC's not allowing their QB to get it, if they're that close. And I'm not talking about artificially getting it either. I'm talking about in the game plan the last 5-6 games in the season, instead of slowing down the offense, once the Panthers got a big early lead (whether they ended up losing the game or not).

Exactly I don't believe Ron Rivera brings out the best in Cam. I don't think he knows how. All of those things come with being a great head coach.

[Oldschool Leroy]

I have lived (in order) Atlanta Metro <*****> Louisiana <Taints> Los Angeles <at the time, Rams> Tampa <Fukenears> San Antonio <equal mix of Girls and Earlers> before I moved to the paradise that is NC. 

 

Our fan base is the gentlest, most polite, most forgiving, most loving bunch of sissies I have ever seen that we don't even seem like football fans in comparison.  I don't mean to disagree in a heinous fashion, but Cam has got it as good as he will EVER get it.

 

Any poo Cam gets from us is kindergarten talk from a bunch of shortbus, newbs.

 

Rivera better mind his own little red wagon.

damn, man, I hope you are able to get some counseling. You have run the gamut on having to live in poo holes. 

[Peppers90 NC]

its' a process, he'll get around to it.  

 

actually, this one sucks too.

[FootballMaestro]

Exactly I don't believe Ron Rivera brings out the best in Cam. I don't think he knows how. All of those things come with being a great head coach.

 

Yup Yup!

 

I been criticizing these things about him from DAY ONE (even before I joined the Huddle). 

 

He's not the sharpest tack in the tool box. He's a defensive coordinator. That's who he is. 

 

But he's not a very savvy psychological and media wise. In fairness. He probably feels he shouldn't have to. However, when you have as many coaching deficiency as he. You either need to excel in what you do well enough, and/or start covering those problem area. 

 

In my opinion, Rivera's are just too many, unless the offense is just rolling, and don't require much assistance from Rivera to make critical, potential "game changing" decisions. 

 

I don't think he's a "natural". And up to this point, his system's not good enough. 

 

Nonetheless, after saying all that. I expect the Panthers to play very well in Buffalo. I just hope they win!

[panthers55]

Quite frankly, It's all psychological,  PR, and relationship based (what I wrote/should be from Rivera, in the spirit of the post). 

 

But I guess you wouldn't understand. And that's fine. 

Yeah I am sure I wouldn't understand anything psychological.  LOL

[Mr. Scot]

Quite frankly, It's all psychological, PR, and relationship based (what I wrote/should be from Rivera, in the spirit of the post).

But I guess you wouldn't understand. And that's fine.

Maybe you should ask P55 what he does for a living :lol:

[panthers55]

Yeah, it's true. 

 

Look at how Indy (Bruce Arians) let Luck ring the ball out last year, despite all his mistakes. And guess what, they won.

 

To what you're saying: Rivera hasn't figured out yet, a lot of backing your QB is psychological. So sometimes you have to do/say dumb things (or respond to do dumb things), in order to keep your QB confident. Now of course we can say, both Smith and Kaep need constant confidence. However, at least the QB knows the coach has their back at all times as well. I would agree. Rivera has been AWOL many times, especially when Cam had a tough first half, and we all knew why, and he said nothing to defend Cam to both the local and national media. 

 

And I just had a guy tell me I wrote a "dumb post", cause I said he should have made sure Cam got 4000 again to end the season. However, a lot of the "Sophomore slump" criticism would have went away, if Cam would have gotten those measly extra 150 or so yards. That's what defined it to many people the yards. 

 

Somehow, I don't see Arians, Harbaugh, or any of those HC's not allowing their QB to get it, if they're that close. And I'm not talking about artificially getting it either. I'm talking about in the game plan the last 5-6  games in the season, instead of slowing down the offense, once the Panthers got a big early lead (whether they ended up losing the game or not). 

Yeah Rivera doesn't back Cam although you can't find a single statement he has ever made which is negative or critical.  Even when Cam  may be as fault which appears to be the case when he failed to follow the gameplan and throw balls deep, Rivera says we struggled instead of pointing out a player.

And you are in every meeting and private conversation in the locker room so you know what is said behind closed doors. You know he doesn't support him because he doesn't do silly dumb things in public, right?

And you surely know what a head coach should do or say because you have been a head coach in college or the pros, right??

 

Some coaches say things in public others do their talking in private.  To assume that what you hear in soundbites and interviews is the sum total or even a big part of what happens between the two of them is ridiculous.  Instead of looking at the elephant in the room which is Cam has had a lot of growing up and maturing to do because he had not faced losing before,  lets blame Rivera for Cam's struggles at times because we know it has to be someone else besides Cam.

[FootballMaestro]

Maybe you should ask P55 what he does for a living :lol:

 

Doesn't matter. 

 

I know a lot of "Sports Psychologist" who do diddly for their players in comparison to a "regular, laymen coach" who has no formal training in the psychology/motivational, behavioral department, regardless (and due respect) to Panther 55's  profession. So that's really Non Sequitur. 

 

 

Anyway, I was more detailing the whole notion of putting Newton first, that Ace Boogie was promoting, and how Rivera Did /Has missed the boat on that. Panther 55 was already insulting me, with out qualifying asking what I meant (though it should have been obvious to him/her, based off what we were discussing), regarding the management of Newton by Rivera.