Mike Tanier (Football Outsiders) weighs in

[Fox007]

3rd and 1....you want to call a predictable play....have Cam run it...not DWill

 

As far as not going for it on 4th downs....we were on their side of the field and Rivera bitched out like he always does.

 

 

[Kurb]

Anybody who watched that game had to feel like we were back in last season again. After Deangelo fumbled everyone knew it was over.

Again the defense needs to stop getting a pass. This team was built to win defensive power struggles. If you have to win the game 7-6 then so be it but an elite defense does just that. No excuse for not getting the ball back for your offense at the end of that game. If your Defense isn't going to win these battles it's time to start getting Cam some damn weapons and let him go out there and win it.

1. Defensive minded coach

2. Defense driven drafts

3. Conservative play style geared again towards defense holding tight.

Yet again the defense couldn't get off the field at the end of the game. This defense is good UNTIL they need to get a stop and they can't get it.

It's time to get Cam some damn weapons and let him fuging play. Unleash fuging Cam I'm sick of this poo man.

Ron Rivera is never going to make Cam Newton a better Quarterback he can't he doesn't know how.

 

 

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

The defense held them to 12 points.

Thats pretty fuging elite.

Yards be damned, 12 points should win you ball games.

 

You know I'm about as even keel as it gets when assigning blame, yesterday was on the O.

 

 

Your second point is spot on. Papa Getts has to build up some playmakers for the WR, OL, and CB spots and soon.

[Cyberjag]

You know, last year LaFell had three catches.  He got one target Sunday.  I don't recall ever seeing LaFell, Ginn, Smith, and Olsen on the field at the same time.

 

You want Gettleman to get us some weapons?  Well Cam's arm has been proven to be a hell of a weapon.  So how about using what we have instead of asking for new ones?

[Seltzer]

Anybody who watched that game and thought the defense didn't do it's job doesn't understand football.  Outside of the stupid, stupid, stupid penalty by Frank Alexander, the defense played amazingly well.

 

Even the touchdown pass was a better throw than it was awful coverage.  It wasn't the best coverage, but I tip my hat to R Wilson on a great throw.

 

The offense has to score more than 7 points, no matter who we play or how good their defense is.  Beyond that, as fans we don't totally know what was holding them back.  Probably a combination of both.  I didn't like some of the predictable 3rd down play calling, but there were dropped balls, non-targets or anyone besides Smitty and Olsen, and I'm sure other factors.  Bottom line is they didn't get it done.

 

Seattle was picked as a Championship team for a reason- they are really good.  But at the same time, the Panthers need to beat teams like that to get noticed and respected, and they yet again couldn't do it.

 

It's tough to go gangbusters blaming anyone yesterday b/c outside of some dumb penalties, the team played good, but just not good enough to win.

 

Pretty much been the mantra of the Ron Rivera Era.  This has been a tough 4 year run as a fan.

 

But still, the defense looked legit, Star looked amazing, and the offense has the talent to score some points.  They definitely need a win next week

[Galvatron]

 

A more positive spin from the B/R power rankings:

Differential: 0

Losing to the Seattle Seahawks isn't something to be ashamed about, especially when you hold them to 12 points. Cam Newton and co. were only able to get seven points of their own against a top-tier Seattle defense, but there was a lot to like in this contest.

Cam Newton looked solid as a passer, and Steve Smith flourished in Mike Shula's offense. On defense, the front four lived in the Seattle Seahawks' backfield all day. Shoring up some small problems—improving the offensive line and cornerback play, notably—will be key in moving up the board. But there's promise here.

 

~Joe W

 

 

 

This, so so this...

[carpanfan96]

Actually, Carolina played that game exactly as the collective Huddle begged and pleaded they do all off season....

Shula played it just like I would have, power run, pound the ball, then go over the top with play action passes. Problem was they either didn't call enough over the top plays or cam elected not to make the passes. Either way those play action deep passes were where the points would have came from. They didn't make then = little points

[rayzor]

Anybody who watched that game and thought the defense didn't do it's job doesn't understand football.  Outside of the stupid, stupid, stupid penalty by Frank Alexander, the defense played amazingly well.

 

Even the touchdown pass was a better throw than it was awful coverage.  It wasn't the best coverage, but I tip my hat to R Wilson on a great throw.

 

The offense has to score more than 7 points, no matter who we play or how good their defense is.  Beyond that, as fans we don't totally know what was holding them back.  Probably a combination of both.  I didn't like some of the predictable 3rd down play calling, but there were dropped balls, non-targets or anyone besides Smitty and Olsen, and I'm sure other factors.  Bottom line is they didn't get it done.

 

Seattle was picked as a Championship team for a reason- they are really good.  But at the same time, the Panthers need to beat teams like that to get noticed and respected, and they yet again couldn't do it.

 

It's tough to go gangbusters blaming anyone yesterday b/c outside of some dumb penalties, the team played good, but just not good enough to win.

 

Pretty much been the mantra of the Ron Rivera Era.  This has been a tough 4 year run as a fan.

 

But still, the defense looked legit, Star looked amazing, and the offense has the talent to score some points.  They definitely need a win next week

 

i agree, but i thought the second half of the game, particularly the 4th quarter, the defense looked flat tired. but i blame a lot of that on the offense's inability to sustain a drive.

 

[Who Said What?]

Actually, Carolina played that game exactly as the collective Huddle begged and pleaded they do all off season....

 

That is why I am so confused about the responses.  We got back to the more traditional offense and almost won.

 

[Mr. Scot]

i agree, but i thought the second half of the game, particularly the 4th quarter, the defense looked flat tired. but i blame a lot of that on the offense's inability to sustain a drive.

 

 

My take also.

 

A Coryell offense is built around the longball.  Newton said there were long passes called and open routes that he didn't take.  I noticed a lot of 'get the ball out fast' plays which makes me think that there was an emphasis on that. 

 

While I understand why they'd want that (OL issues) you can't really run an effective Coryell offense that way.  Henning tried that with Delhomme the year we lost two starting linemen in week one and it blunted the entire attack.

[Fox007]

This, so so this...

 

You do realize the Oline had 1 penalty, only gave up 1 sack, and opened holes allowing DWill to avg 4ypc right?

 

Ditch on the secondary all you want but don't include the Oline in Sunday's follies...just isn't true.

[Galvatron]

You do realize the Oline had 1 penalty, only gave up 1 sack, and opened holes allowing DWill to avg 4ypc right?

 

Ditch on the secondary all you want but don't include the Oline in Sunday's follies...just isn't true.

 

I think that's a fair use of stats; but you could also make the argument that he didn't have the time to get the ball down the field and otherwise avoided sacks due to his athleticism. You can also hang the lack of down field passes on Cam not wanting to turn the ball over.

[frash.exe]

The good news is with a new coaching staff, provided Jerry doesn't demand a yes man, improvement should be almost immediate.

What you described is exactly what SF went through. Talented enough team poorly coached under Singletary, gets replaced by Harbaugh and becomes an instant contender.

[Fox007]

What you described is exactly what SF went through. Talented enough team poorly coached under Singletary, gets replaced by Harbaugh and becomes an instant contender.

 

Whose Harbaugh?

 

 

Or is that joke too old?

[SCP]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/60033484/

Basically new year, same Panthers/coaching staff.

The coaching of Rivera and Shula is the main reason I picked us to finish 7-9. That being said, if not for a few dropped balls by Olsen, Deangelo's fumble, and Thomas getting hit in the foot by the punt, I think we win that game 17-12 instead of lose 12-7. I'm as frustrated with Rivera as the next guy and this season may very well be his last. But our talent lost us this game.

Now, onto blocking Mario Williams.