When can we blame Cam?

[carolina-chuck]

And how many time was Wilson bailed out by spectacular catches off his bad throws, and awful coverage by the Panther D. 

 

The Panther D (no matter how they play up until that point) always finds a way to blow the game during key plays late in the third or 4th qtr. It's a habit. 

 

But my guess is (though you'll deny it), you never liked Newton in the first place or wanted him here?

 

I never wanted Cam here? HAH. Dno what to say anymore.

 

[KendrickPanther]

Horrible post. 

 

That first throw to Olsen that he dropped wasn't a bad pass in the least. It was more than catchable. Olsen just tried to run before he caught it. I saw Wilson make several awful passes, that his receivers bailed him out on. How come Panther receivers can't do that?

 

I did not see 3-5 bad passes. That's a gross exaggeration. So now you won't the guy to be perfect for the day? How often does that happen in the NFL? Sheesh. 

 

And as far as his running. I thought Cam was very patient, and ran when he had to. No problem there. 

 

Sometimes I wonder about Panther fans. 

 

The Olsen pass was bad. That is not debatable. It was a swing pass, Olsen is supposed to catch and run. Cam Newton's performance has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Russel Wilson. What kind of logic is that? Cam's receivers did bail him out. Ginn caught a bad pass and Steve Caught a bad pass. And yes, absolutely. I want Cam to be perfect. This is the NFL, anything less than your best and you will be 6-10 or 8-8 every year. It's not exactly a revelation that cam has issues with accuracy and placement.

[Dash Global]

Williams knows he cost us the game. Williams blames himself for the loss and he's right. He doesn't fumble and we win imo.

 

Last season against Seattle both Williams and Stewart fumbled on back to back possessions. They watched one another be stripped, and yet were still careless with the ball. They were lectured after the game about covering up the football, and being especially wary against Seattle, a team noted for causing fumbles. Move forward to this season. The Panthers coaching staff shows Williams tape of Seattle defensive players stripping the ball, and make every effort to warn Williams to be careful with football and to remember what happened last season. Williams fumbles the football and causes our loss.

 

Cam had a fine game against a team with a strong defense.

 

Not sure if id call 125 yards passing a fine game. Pretty paltry if you ask me and certainly was a factor in only scoring 7 points. 

 

Wilson had almost 350 yrds passing while running for his life the entire game

[CelibatePimpv2.0]

Leading us from behind late. 

 

Making big plays late to secure / hold on to a lead. 

 

etc. 

 

Have you been watching panthers play? Just an example, today, we get close to scoring on a drive led by CAM with couple of throws and runs. DWill fumbles and we dont get it back and yet Cam is not clutch? Did you watch our game last season against Saints (where Cam leads us to win the game from behind at the Dome?) and the second falcons game at home on a screen pass to Dwill to bury them? We have a lot of problems on our team but Cam is the least one of those.

[fieryprophet]

When can we ban carolina-chuck?

[carolina-chuck]

Wow. Really sorry for chipping in here, but your post SO reminds me of the Seahawks when Holmgren traded for Hasselbeck. At the time I said, literally, the combination of Holmgren and Hasselbeck would never win a Super Bowl. My thinking was based on a couple simple observations.

 

1. Holmgren was a system guy, basically a control freak. This was so extreme that Holmgren NEVER, in all his years in the NFL, changed how he coached. Not even a little. This was exhibited when Holmgren shut down Jon kitna after he started out with one of the best first half of a season by a starter ever. He had ended the previous season, with Erickson, I think, something like 4-2 or some such. Then he was 6-2 in Holmgren's first season, but Holmgren was on his hind end to play WITHIN the system  rather than do what had won the team something like 10 of 16 games.

That was Holmy.

 

In later years, when Kitna got a chance to play on lesser teams in ... Cincy?.. and as a backup, he had GREAT stats, just as he had in Seattle. The point? It's not just the QB or just the coach, it's the nexus of the two.

 

Top be honest, I knew jack-all about your team before this week, but your feedback and the research I've had to do to participate here and handicap the game have led me to believe you do not have the combo you need. When Kitna was paired with the coordinator he'd had under Erickson he kicked ass. The team was weak, but Kitna played great. I agree that you have to change your coaching...

 

You need someone here that Cam trusts implicitly. That does not mean he should dictate who the coach is, it means management needs to understand who they have and find a coach who "gets" Cam. Cam, on the other hand, has to be coachable. With strong wills and big egos, and really in any pairing, that comes down to trust.

What made Holmgren successful in GB? Favre. Not because Favre was actually a great QB, because he wasn't. What he had were certain attributes that were so outstanding they made up for his weaknesses much of the time, and enough of the time to get to two SBs and win one of them w/ GB.

 

Why did this pairing work? Because Holmgren needed one of two types of QB: Either one that was absolutely robotic enough to do exactly what Holmgren told him to do, or one that was smart enough to understand Holmgren's system, but maverick enough to break the rules as needed.

 

Favre did this perfectly, but Kitna was too emotional, too completely emotionally into it to be able to blow Holmgren off as needed, but stay cool enough to do what Holmgren said most of the time.

 

Look back at quotes from Holmy and Favre: the two battled. Kitna couldn't figure out that fine line and he was gone.

 

In Seattle today you have a GM, a HC and a QB who all think *exactly the same way.* It's all smileys all the time, and work your ass off every minute of every day, and not just at work, but everything you do.

 

It's not the specific philosophy that matters, it's the *match* that matters. Very much like what makes a marriage work.

 

Find a staff Cam trusts, and that trusts Cam, and the sky is the limit. Doesn't matter if they are on exactly the same page or opposites, per se - as we have seen, both work - only that they all get each other and agree to agree or disagree as appropriate.

 

Yeah, you all have convinced me you probably need a new staff. But I don't know Cam well enough. Maybe they can grow together?

 

Anywho, I feel your pain. I LOVED Kitna and respected Holmgren and died a little as I struggled watching Kitna not adjust to Holmgren and Holmgren roll over Kitna.

Hasselbeck? He was.... meh. Not enough like Farve nor enough like Kitna, so he stayed all those years with a coach who needed him to be Favre but liked him too much to jettison him like Kitna. This I knew the the first year with Hasselbeck. I watched the 2005 season stating *publicly* Holmy and Hass would never win the SB. Torture!!

 

Hope you get the coach you need for Cam to blossom. Or, that Cam is strong enough a man to figure out what Rivera needs him to be. Either way can work. The middle road never will.

Good luck.

 

Good post.

 

[Dash Global]

Have you been watching panthers play? Just an example, today, we get close to scoring on a drive led by CAM with couple of throws and runs. DWill fumbles and we dont get it back and yet Cam is not clutch? Did you watch our game last season against Saints (where Cam leads us to win the game from behind at the Dome?) and the second falcons game at home on a screen pass to Dwill to bury them? We have a lot of problems on our team but Cam is the least one of those.

 

Do me a favor.

 

Count the times when we didnt go down the field late and also the times when we couldnt get a first down late to hold onto a lead. 

 

Then compare that to what you mentioned. 

[Swaggasaurus]

Hey guys, look. ignore that the only time i post is when i want to rant on about this same idiotic shtick, i'm being just real and down to earth here and stuff which is why i have yet to mention just what clutch passes Cam missed on that final drive.

Cam did not miss any passes on the final drive. Oh and the OP was not specific to this game, try to keep up.

[FootballMaestro]

The Olsen pass was bad. That is not debatable. It was a swing pass, Olsen is supposed to catch and run. Cam Newton's performance has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Russel Wilson. What kind of logic is that? Cam's receivers did bail him out. Ginn caught a bad pass and Steve Caught a bad pass. And yes, absolutely. I want Cam to be perfect. This is the NFL, anything less than your best and you will be 6-10 or 8-8 every year. It's not exactly a revelation that cam has issues with accuracy and placement.

When has, how many NFL QB's make every throw in a game?

 

And I repeat that Olsen pass was not a bad pass. It's funny how you expect Cam to complete every throw, but you obviously don't expect/require Olsen, or his receivers to catch every catch-able pass. 

 

Lastly, Wilson had more poor throws in this game than Cam did. However, he receivers bailed him out. 

 

I thought Cam was more than fine in this game. 

 

It's amazing we're talking about this, when D'Angelo fumbled away a probably win on the 8th yard line late in the game. Lord have mercy what would happen if Cam did that?

[carolina-chuck]

When can we ban carolina-chuck?

 

Anytime. Sometimes, I consider banning myself so I would have less of guys like you.

 

[pantherj]

Not sure if id call 125 yards passing a fine game. Pretty paltry if you ask me and certainly was a factor in only scoring 7 points. 

 

Wilson had almost 350 yrds passing while running for his life the entire game

 

Ok I take it back, he didn't have a fine game, yet we were in position to win.

 

Wilson was very lucky at times in that game, and also had the luxury of facing our worn out defense in the 4th. I do agree that Wilson had a better game.

[CelibatePimpv2.0]

Do me a favor.

 

Count the times when we didnt go down the field late and also the times when we couldnt get a first down late to hold onto a lead. 

 

Then compare that to what you mentioned. 

 

Why don't you put it out here? I just gave you two examples and you are going to fold? People like to regurgitate certain things the media feeds them.

[teeray]

Some people think that throwing a ball where only the receiver can catch it and throwing into tho hole of a defense where it can't be picked are examples of not being accurate.

Sometimes you throw the ball behind a receiver or low because if you lead them the defense will deflect or pick it off.

Not all of his throws are because of this but a lot of them are.

[Squirrel]

CAM'S SO NOT CLUTCH AT HANDING THE BALL OFF IN THE 4TH Q BECAUSE THAT'S ALL HE DID

thanks for that wonderful insight chuck, for a second there i was convinced it wasn't deangelo that completely blew any chance we had at winning the game

 

 

OOh I can play on this.

 

 

That's because the coaches was afraid to let Cam throw it and throw a pick 6!

 

 

 

What did I win?