Greg Cosell critiques Cams throwing style

[TheRed]

What third year quarterback hasn't needed to improve in some aspect of his game?

[Growl]

Questioning Cam's leadership is idiotic. Questioning Cam's football IQ even moreso. Questioning his throwing motion is absurd, as he has a lightning fast release that delivers the ball at it's high point. The one facet of Cam's game that he needs to improve on his indeed his footwork. This is likely derived from Cam's size. The media loves to spoon guys like Wilson and Brees because of their "excellent fundamentals" but the truth of it is that the two quite likely naturally picked up those fundamentals as a way to cope with their height deficiency. A smaller QB must stay mobile in the pocket, moving his feet and head to find passing lanes constantly. Cam doesn't have this issue.

 

When you see over every single person on the field , you don't naturally and subconsciously feel the need to move in the pocket, which keeps your feet lazy, and that combined with the speed of the game results in arm throws. This is amplified by the fact that Cam spent most of his college days in the shotgun, where his coaches likely didn't spend too much time concerning themselves with his footwork.

 

He just needs time, and if his accuracy is as good as it is now with shaky footwork, I'd hate to be another team once he grows into that part of his game.

 

Some of you indeed don't deserve to have someone as talented and as driven as Cam as the QB of your team.

[rayzor]

I started to right a long message but I deleted it fug it. Bring back Jimmy the man with the golden arm.

 

oye. being just a little sensitive there.

 

it wasn't much of anything different than what cam has said and what we've heard form those working with him. he's a work in progress, like most others. this was just an honest critique...not criticism...but critiquing of cam and an insight into what he and dorsey are probably working on.

 

do you want cam to be better? i know he sure does. why not look at the things that he can improve at? we all know what he does well. we all know that he's great with the deep ball. we all know that he's got poise out the wazoo. we all know that he's a stud as a runner. we know all these things.

 

cossell was just giving an opinion about what he could do to be better. it was good hearing that from someone with his knowledge who didn't have an agenda against him. it was very objective.

 

just as something to base it off of, here's comments from cossell in may of 2012

Newton did not have a record-setting rookie season because he’s a great athlete. Certainly, his touchdown run against the Bucs late in the season was spectacular, and few quarterbacks have that kind of breathtaking running ability. But no one becomes a great quarterback in the NFL because of the way they run.

 

I watched every Newton snap in 2011, and the reality was he played exceptionally well from the pocket. He was poised and composed, decisive and accurate. He stood tall and delivered the ball in the eye of the storm. He made difficult throws into tight coverage. He did not run unless it was the last and only option or it was a designed play call. What was so extraordinary about Newton’s season was that he transitioned to the NFL in a manner that was unexpected and unforeseen based on his college résumé. He was primarily a run/option quarterback at Auburn. While the big arm and occasional NFL throw were there, Newton was not often asked to display the attributes necessary to thrive on Sundays.

 

Two early-season plays really stood out last fall, and previewed Newton’s exceptional season. His first NFL touchdown pass, 77 yards to Steve Smith on the opening Sunday, featured a change in protection against a blitz. The ability to recognize and then adjust before the snap is an increasingly necessary attribute to play at a high level in this league, and Newton demonstrated it in Week 1. Three weeks later against the Bears, on a 26-yard completion to Smith, Newton showed the kind of progression reading and pocket toughness that are two hallmarks of top quarterback play. The initial read was to his left, but it was taken away by the Bears coverage. With the pocket collapsing, Newton came backside to Smith on a dig route. It was as good as it gets. And that was his fourth NFL start.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/17/cosell-talks-newton-stafford-on-the-rise/

 

 

[jarhead]

He never critiqued his throwing style he just said he needs step into his throws and be more of "strider" and less of a "thrower" which is 100% spot on. He accurately critiqued his footwork and accuracy not his "throwing style".

 

Being a arm thrower is a style is it not?

[carolina-chuck]

What third year quarterback hasn't needed to improve in some aspect of his game?

Every quarterbacks gets criticize. But for some young ones they get the pass or are not often criticize about bc they have taken their team to the Playoffs. For Cam, he hasn't and not just that he's a former no1 overall pick.

[TheRed]

Teams go to the playoffs, not individual players.

[carolina-chuck]

Teams go to the playoffs, not individual players.

Teams with a Quarterback most often go to the playoffs.

[Gabeking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Cosell

This man has never thrown a football in a game. . . havnt read, just sayin.

Chip kelly has never played a down of organized football in his life, just sayin.

[AceBoogie]

oye. being just a little sensitive there.

 

it wasn't much of anything different than what cam has said and what we've heard form those working with him. he's a work in progress, like most others. this was just an honest critique...not criticism...but critiquing of cam and an insight into what he and dorsey are probably working on.

 

do you want cam to be better? i know he sure does. why not look at the things that he can improve at? we all know what he does well. we all know that he's great with the deep ball. we all know that he's got poise out the wazoo. we all know that he's a stud as a runner. we know all these things.

 

cossell was just giving an opinion about what he could do to be better. it was good hearing that from someone with his knowledge who didn't have an agenda against him. it was very objective.

 

just as something to base it off of, here's comments from cossell in may of 2012

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/17/cosell-talks-newton-stafford-on-the-rise/

I took it as fair criticism until when the question of a #2 receiver came up and again Cam was blamed for it. He said in a nice way that Lafell is being held back by Cam. I call bullshit on so many levels. Ive seen to many passes hit Lafell's hands and fall to the ground. Criticize him fine, but don't imply Cam is what is holding this team back and speculate if he's good enough to be a long term option. Mark Sanchez went to how many conference championship games?

[Cary Kollins]

I agree with Cosell's critique of the throwing motion but I completely disagree with his assertion that Gettleman wonders if Cam is a franchise QB.

[carolina-chuck]

I took it as fair criticism until when the question of a #2 receiver came up and again Cam was blamed for it. He said in a nice way that Lafell is being held back by Cam. I call bullshit on so many levels. Ive seen to many passes hit Lafell's hands and fall to the ground. Criticize him fine, but don't imply Cam is what is holding this team back and speculate if he's good enough to be a long term option. Mark Sanchez went to how many conference championship games?

That's one point I disagree on. I don't believe that LaFell is a no.2 receiver, but I do think that Lafell would succeed with a Manning, Brady, or Brees. I don't blame it on Cam, but more in that average receivers can often look great playing with those guys I mentioned above; i.e. Collie, Decker, Meachem, etc.

[CRA]

My issue with the talk is this....

There isn't one way one to play the game and win....

Every QB doesn't need to try to be Peyton Manning. You will esstentially ruin some guys focused on making them X when they could be something different AND great.

Brett Favre was a great QB. He was great bc what he did was embraced and rolled with it. Cam Newton is a unique peg....I think you either let him go down his own unique path or it doesn't work. That has always been my Gettlemen fear....the death of Newton in Carolina. No NFL team would even interview this guy.....and that was bc was deemed "old". Lots of ways to look at how he could be old...

[Gabeking]

Being a arm thrower is a style is it not?

Well i guess you can argue that too but to me "throwing style" relates to his throwing motion. For example Cam has his nasty overhead tomahawk throwing style that not that different from Johnny Unitas' as mentioned in a previous thread. Peyton Manning has the textbook quick release, Byron Leftwich had a windmill throwing style that took 3 years to complete and Vince Young had the weird side arm throwing style. Those are what I think of when I hear "throwing styles"

[The Huddler]

My issue with the talk is this....

There isn't one way one to play the game and win....

Every QB doesn't need to try to be Peyton Manning. You will esstentially ruin some guys focused on making them X when they could be something different AND great.

Brett Favre was a great QB. He was great bc what he did was embraced and rolled with it. Cam Newton is a unique peg....I think you either let him go down his own unique path or it doesn't work. That has always been my Gettlemen fear....the death of Newton in Carolina. No NFL team would even interview this guy.....and that was bc was deemed "old". Lots of ways to look at how he could be old...

Interesting point. I'm neutral in this, but you do bring up another POV.

 

I just Cam to be a Panther until he retires.