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The bad old days

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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Have you ever looked at what positions he drafted?

 

Have you ever looked at the 2011 and 2009 drafts?

 

 

Look at the team right now.  CJ & Hardy comprise one of the best starting DE combos in the league- both Hurney draft picks.

 

Our entire starting LB's are Hurney picks.

 

Munnerlyn is one of the best 7th round picks in the last 5 years by any team.

 

Gross has been an above average starter for 11 years now.  Kalil is one of the best starting Centers in the league.

 

D-Will & Stewart were excellent draft picks- they were just subsequently overpaid in a passing league and not properly utilized

 

LaFell is better than people want to give him credit for, and while I'm not going to proclaim the Armanti trade an overwhelming success, he does appear ready to be a real contributor and the guy the Patriots drafted with that pick is out of the league.

 

Even Otah was a great draft pick- he was dominant when he wanted to play football

 

Outside of drafting, Hurney brought in Delhomme & Stephen Davis.  Those were 2 of the best offseason moves any GM has ever made in any year.

 

Ken Lucas was a great FA pickup- he was arguably the best player on the defense in 2005.

 

The Olsen trade may be the best trade a Panthers GM ever made.

 

I'm not proclaiming Hurney the greatest GM by any stretch, but he was better at personnel than a lot of fans want to admit.

 

Look at SF & Seattle right now...  These teams can do no wrong according to the national narrative but San Fran just dumped their first rounder from last year and Seattle used their first rounder to acquire (and pay a big contract) to a known injury-risk guy who is going to probably miss the whole season.

 

The point is, every GM misses.  Hurney's track record, at least for 1st Rounders, was very very good compared to his peers.  He did miss on some picks that would have provided better depth on a lot of Panthers teams- that is true and a very valid criticism.

 

But I don't think that was his biggest flaw- it was believing too much in and rewarding too much his own draft picks and guys.  Gettleman is going to spend a lot more time cleaning that up than he will from the personnel moves IMO

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Look at the team right now. CJ & Hardy comprise one of the best starting DE combos in the league- both Hurney draft picks.

Our entire starting LB's are Hurney picks.

Munnerlyn is one of the best 7th round picks in the last 5 years by any team.

Gross has been an above average starter for 11 years now. Kalil is one of the best starting Centers in the league.

D-Will & Stewart were excellent draft picks- they were just subsequently overpaid in a passing league and not properly utilized

LaFell is better than people want to give him credit for, and while I'm not going to proclaim the Armanti trade an overwhelming success, he does appear ready to be a real contributor and the guy the Patriots drafted with that pick is out of the league.

Even Otah was a great draft pick- he was dominant when he wanted to play football

Outside of drafting, Hurney brought in Delhomme & Stephen Davis. Those were 2 of the best offseason moves any GM has ever made in any year.

Ken Lucas was a great FA pickup- he was arguably the best player on the defense in 2005.

The Olsen trade may be the best trade a Panthers GM ever made.

I'm not proclaiming Hurney the greatest GM by any stretch, but he was better at personnel than a lot of fans want to admit.

Look at SF & Seattle right now... These teams can do no wrong according to the national narrative but San Fran just dumped their first rounder from last year and Seattle used their first rounder to acquire (and pay a big contract) to a known injury-risk guy who is going to probably miss the whole season.

The point is, every GM misses. Hurney's track record, at least for 1st Rounders, was very very good compared to his peers. He did miss on some picks that would have provided better depth on a lot of Panthers teams- that is true and a very valid criticism.

But I don't think that was his biggest flaw- it was believing too much in and rewarding too much his own draft picks and guys. Gettleman is going to spend a lot more time cleaning that up than he will from the personnel moves IMO

Hurney really just missed on the 2nd round(discussed extensively) but bypassing other need guys at that pick...so the combo of ignoring a need position by drafting the most high profile "slider"( i.e) D Jarrett, JClausen, Dan Conner and having them become absolute busts really hurt. (mediocre for Conner)

CJ, Hardy, Munnerlyn were jem picks as is J Norman.

The failures of filling a capable DT and a no.2 WR with an "almost arrogance" of filling them with Practice Squad players and 7th round pick trades( Louis Murphy) was awful.

However, with that said Hurney as a "bad drafter" is wayy overblown as his success is actually pretty average to the league. Which is why the team is mostly average in every way.

His cap mismanagement and inabilty to scout talent outside of lber and HB doomed him..ignoring the hogmollies masks many deficiencies and Gettles correcting the cap for the most part in one season is a miracle.

So I agree with your post that Hurney had some homeruns (Cam,Beason, Kuchley, Hardy, CJ, Kalil) but he struck out quite a bit.

Hurney is the Adam Dunn or Rob Deer of home run hitting...strike outs are a bigger part of their legacy as well.

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uh no, we gave the highest center contract (for one of the top centers in the game), highest mlb contract (for one of the top mlbs in the game) and if you consider the rb contracts together, the highest pair of rb contracts (before chud got here, they were the top rb tandem in the game).  was it smart?  in retrospect no.

 

So... you just said exactly the same thing I said with more words.  In case you missed it, I said 'in retrospect' at the very beginning of my post.

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Jake post surgery/the AZ game - Matt Moore - Rookie Jimmy - Rookie Cam. This QB stretch is the main reason for our losses imo.

 

It was a mistake to stick with Jake after the AZ game, but I wouldn't judge Hurney too harshly for it. He then followed up that error with his two biggest mistakes. Believing that Matt Moore had the talent to replace Jake as our QB was insane. Moore was groomed to replace Jake, and given the chance to do so. He was considered by many to be a poor mans Tony Romo, but that would equate to a career backup at best. After it was clear to anyone with eyes that Moore was a scrub, Hurney then began making comments to the media that he saw flaws in Moore's play and that Moore was not the answer at QB. That was way too late.

 

After finally realizing that Moore was not the answer, he then looked to the draft and was overwhelmed by Pickles talent. The day we drafted Jimmy I wrote a negative evaluation of him and received a boat load of negative rep for it on here. Hurney made the situation worse by not bringing in a veteran QB to start and just in case Jimmy was terrible. I won't blame Hurney for that because our owner was being a tool at the time and was pulling the strings. The orders were to start the rookies and young guys and dump the vets to save money for the looming lockout. Jimmy was so bad that no one believed that his terrible play could be explained away by him being a rookie.

 

Hurney then looked to the draft and selected Cam Newton, and I had already written a positive review of him. Guys sort of made fun of me for that review because I was using mostly youtube footage and what can you really learn from that anyway. The point is that Hunrey made a great pick with Cam, but he had Jake's leftovers and little else to support Cam. We're were severely lacking in in talent due to injuries and over paying for average players, but the QB situation was the key imo. Matt Moore and Pickles had more to do with our losses imo.

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