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What Seahawks fans are saying...

Zod

By Zod,
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Jake Delhomme was a game manager. Want to get into his first post season stats?"

Want to not cherry pick and deal with the totality of the evidence?

Says the guy who mentioned the last five games and a few drives.

"e: why am I even feeding this troll?"

Really? Well-reasoned, polite discussion is trolling now?

See my previous comment. I wouldn't call it reasoning, much less well-reasoned. You're a blind homer, doing what blind homers do.

"Vertical passing or WCO has no bearing on completion % or passer rating?"

Not for a top QB, no. And not for Wilson. Pro style? Excelled. Hybrid WCO? Excelled. And the offense in Carolina was partly tailored to Cam. Not the case in Seattle. Also, why are you stuck on two years ago? Cam's stats were virtually the same last year. What's your excuse for that? As Carolina fans you are also well aware Wilson carried the offense at NC.

Show me a "top qb" in a vertical offense. Brees, Brady, Manning, Ryan, etc, all dink and dunk. Flacco is probably the closest to being a "top qb" in a vertical offense. Check out his stats - they aren't exactly eye popping.
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Ruff Newbie

Ruff

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Dear Lord,

Please don't let a Seahawk fan be sitting anywhere near me in the bar on Sunday. I've been a good boy and haven't been arrested in over 18 months and these guys are really, really starting to get under my skin and test my patience.

The Monday following the game last season, the wife and I flew out for our honeymoon. That morning, the Charlotte airport was packed with Seattle fans being obnoxiously loud and cheering about the game the previous night.

I've never seen so many bandwagon fans in one place before.

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Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)

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We'll never know, but you may well be right. However, to put the issue in context, Cam's QB (+1.7) and QBR (-2.1) ratings were just a couple points apart the last two years. So.... what happened the 2nd year?

 

Why don't y'all just chill out and see what he does this year.

 

There's a game Sunday. How about we talk about that for a while?

 

Same coaches, same supporting cast. All that got added is that he had an offseason and other teams figured him out a bit.

 

You'll see though, you'll see.

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Same coaches, same supporting cast. All that got added is that he had an offseason and other teams figured him out a bit.

You'll see though, you'll see.

But, but, but... Russell has amazing work ethic!!! It's so epic!!! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK NEGATIVE OF THE GREAT WILSON!?!!?11!!?

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Yes, seriously. Cam has a nickname. Wilson has one decent season and he has losers from Kansas and Myrtle Beach lubing up their palms and jumping in line to give him a hand job. Pretty sad seeing 48 year olds dudes sucking off a kid.

 

Pretend you weren't doing the same with Cam BEFORE he'd had one good season. And are still doing so after two good, but not mind-blowing years. You can keep hyping his yardage his rookie season, but that means little. That was largely situational since he was virtually the only weapon the team had. You will see: When Carolina has a fully balanced offense, Cam's numbers will be much more like last year than his rookie year - because other players will also be producing.

 

That was the case with Wilson. Even after Seattle's offense exploded in the second half of the season, Wilson's numbers were not gaudy. They did not need to be. It's a team sport.

 

Wilson has never had a year of non-excellent production; not HS, not college, not the NFL. Why would we expect this year to be different, exactly? Because you are butt-hurt because a whole passel of new QBs came out last year and took the spotlight off Cam?

 

By the way, you know what was impressive in Wilson's various record set last year? The TDs. Not because of how many, but because 1. when he had a chance for the sole record at 27 he didn't take it and 2. because it was coupled with only ten INTs. Cam had 21 TDs and 19 INTs his rookie year. But, hey, we got nothing to be excited about with Wilson. Nope.

 

Peyton Manning, the co-recordholder? 26 TDs and 28 INTs. It took him seven years to post a 100+ passer rating. It took Wilson one year. It took him six years to post a 2.6:1 or better TD:INT ratio. It took Wilson one. It took him 5 years to post 64%+ accuracy. It took Wilson one.

 

Cam:  19 to 12 TD: INT or 1.58:1.

Best passer rating: 86.

Best accuracy: 60%.

 

I find it sad when a fan base cannot acknowledge and respect players from other teams. WE know Cam is a force. I've seen no fan post here saying otherwise. We know he can run. We know he can throw.

 

But so can Wilson. And the stats say he has done so better than Cam. It's not an insult. It's there in black and white. Get over it.

 

It will be exciting to see Cam when you have a complete offense, no doubt. Don't expect me to apologize for the fact Seattle already built a full offense.

 

Wilson is the better QB, Cam the better athlete. That's just the way it is until Cam does something to change that perception.

 

How about some facts for you? QBR, weeks 11 - 21

1 Russell Wilson 81.7 2 Colin Kaepernick 81.2 3 Peyton Manning 79.6 4 Cam Newton 76.2 5 Aaron Rodgers 71.3

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/103810/forced-to-choose-between-top-young-qbs

 

Here's one that has Cam #2 and Wilson #3. Interestingly, they emphasize TD/INT by total. Given he has two seasons, and others on that list have 1, that's idiotic. As posted above, Wilson's rookie ratio blows away Cam's rookie and career ratios. Funny that he asks who the best young QBs ARE, but focuses on what Cam will be.

 

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2013/02/19/the_best_young_quarterbacks.php

 

This guy has Wilson 3rd, Cam 5th.

 

http://thehotread.com/nfl/nfls-top-young-quarterbacks/

 

Here we find Russel 12th, Cam 16th. Interestingly, the writer has 9 QBs with a lower QB rating listed above Wilson.

 

http://athlonsports.com/nfl/who-best-worst-starting-quarterback-nfl-2013

 

 

Anyway....

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K-hawk, you really need to watch some tape of Cam and then ask yourself if Wilson is being asked to make the same kinds of throws Can is... if you come back and say yes it proves that you either don't know what you're looking at or you're too big of a homer to admit it.

My advice would be to hold off on making any grand proclamations about Wilson before you see how year 2 pans out, things can change dramatically....

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