What Seahawks fans are saying...

[Razeyfingers]

When your two only fashion statements are sandals to show off your hairy disgusting feet and sunglasses to prevent the ridiculously awful glare of your team colors, its not hard to understand why so many of them have problems with their eyes. Look up sun glare, look left arrgh upchuck Seahawks neon green, look right blaaargh same thing, look down UGGHHHH hairy granola feet rraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalphhhhhhhhhhhh.

[K-Hawk]

What stats of his were better? Cam has had to carry this team for two years. People see the win loss because this team lives and dies with his play. If he doesn't play at all we are possibly a 4-12 5-11 team.

His value is undermined because of the win loss but the weight has been on his shoulders. With no slant passes till the end of last season, few drags and underneath routes and all deep post ins or digs, it's a miracle he's close to 60%. By the time we played the Hawks last year he had 64% completion percentage and a 9 YPA. West coast completion % running a vertical offense.

7900 yards passing and 1400 yards running his first two years. Also 60 some TDs. Rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs are generally gonna turn the ball over so that I wasn't do worried about. Our defense wasn't good enough to support a young QB. Now we have a ball security conscious QB we with can be one of the top 10 defenses.

Comparing stats for these two QBs will be moot but you can debate all day how you think one would do on the other team. Two different teams, philosophies, schemes and people. I like both if them.

Plus was at ECU to see the Falcons back up (dominique davis)outplay Wilson.

 

The stats are in my posts. To answer your question rather than sending you back to my posts, higher QB rating, higher completion percentage, more TDs, fewer INTs.

 Wins, too, if you want to go there.

I realize you didn't read my posts, but I said, myself, that Wilson was in a better offense.

Now, my point in saying all this was a response to Panthers fans here stating things like Wilson would slump (when he never has), or that Wilson is a "game manager", which is ridiculous, and that if you keep Wilson in the pocket you stop him when his QB rating is higher in the pocket than on the run. Etc. Yet, Cam is a record-setting QB who is amazing and incredible.

Well, to be repetetive, Wilson had better stats as a senior in college and as a rookie in the pros.

You say the stats are moot. Well, isn't that the primary mode of comparison? How is it moot? Because they are better for Wilson than Newton? Is that what makes them moot?

 

Wilson has been an elite-performing QB for three years. Cam Newton was an elite-performing QB for one year, his senior year in college. And, in terms of experience, Wilson started four years in college and last year (beating out two vet back-ups as a 3rd round rookie (as opposed to Cam being given the keys to the kingdom from Day One) for a total of  nearly 70 starts. He had over 50 in college alone. Cam? He started one season in college.

 

What all this means is, despite Cam being in his second pro year, Wilson is the more developed, more experienced QB. Cam has started around 30 less games than Cam, and iworks harder. And it shows.

 

Hopefully, it will show Sunday, too!

 

Nothing away from Cam, but too many fans here have no idea what Wilson is as a QB. Many are predicting a big year for Cam, and for your sakes I hope he has it. But Wilson already had a big year. This will be his second big year as a pro, not his first.

[CPcavedweller]

The stats are in my posts. To answer your question rather than sending you back to my posts, higher QB rating, higher completion percentage, more TDs, fewer INTs.

Wins, too, if you want to go there.

I realize you didn't read my posts, but I said, myself, that Wilson was in a better offense.

Now, my point in saying all this was a response to Panthers fans here stating things like Wilson would slump (when he never has), or that Wilson is a "game manager", which is ridiculous, and that if you keep Wilson in the pocket you stop him when his QB rating is higher in the pocket than on the run. Etc. Yet, Cam is a record-setting QB who is amazing and incredible.

Well, to be repetetive, Wilson had better stats as a senior in college and as a rookie in the pros.

You say the stats are moot. Well, isn't that the primary mode of comparison? How is it moot? Because they are better for Wilson than Newton? Is that what makes them moot?

Wilson has been an elite-performing QB for three years. Cam Newton was an elite-performing QB for one year, his senior year in college. And, in terms of experience, Wilson started four years in college and last year (beating out two vet back-ups as a 3rd round rookie (as opposed to Cam being given the keys to the kingdom from Day One) for a total of nearly 70 starts. He had over 50 in college alone. Cam? He started one season in college.

What all this means is, despite Cam being in his second pro year, Wilson is the more developed, more experienced QB. Cam has started around 30 less games than Cam, and iworks harder. And it shows.

Hopefully, it will show Sunday, too!

Nothing away from Cam, but too many fans here have no idea what Wilson is as a QB. Many are predicting a big year for Cam, and for your sakes I hope he has it. But Wilson already had a big year. This will be his second big year as a pro, not his first.

This is a good post. The only intangible argument you made is that Wilson works harder. The only thing we know is he is the hardest working individual in the Seahawks organization. We can imply he works harder than Newton but it's impossible to know without working with both of them, which we don't do.

Cam was given the reigns to an organization coming off a lame duck season much like the Raiders are about to have. Despite only starting one season in FBS college football and having no offseason, he came in and set the path for the three Rookies to come in and tear it up. Consider him the bulldozer cutting a trail out of the woods for a four wheeler race.

Cam, Luck, and Wilson are the future in my opinion. I'm not buying into the Kaep hype off of 8 regular season games on one of the best coached teams and defenses in the league. Wilson has elevated whoever he has played for and Andrew Luck has an engineering degree and the physical tools to match his IQ.

Cams stats speak for themself in terms of production on an otherwise average team. Our offensive line should have a slow-work zone in progress sign between them and the defensive line. It all starts up front and if we can't block, we can't win. Simple enough.

[TheRed]

Good post? He said his quarterback works harder than ours based on absolutely no evidence.

[pantherj]

Bring back negative rep.

[CatMan72]

The stats are in my posts. To answer your question rather than sending you back to my posts, higher QB rating, higher completion percentage, more TDs, fewer INTs.

 Wins, too, if you want to go there.

I realize you didn't read my posts, but I said, myself, that Wilson was in a better offense.

Now, my point in saying all this was a response to Panthers fans here stating things like Wilson would slump (when he never has), or that Wilson is a "game manager", which is ridiculous, and that if you keep Wilson in the pocket you stop him when his QB rating is higher in the pocket than on the run. Etc. Yet, Cam is a record-setting QB who is amazing and incredible.

Well, to be repetetive, Wilson had better stats as a senior in college and as a rookie in the pros.

You say the stats are moot. Well, isn't that the primary mode of comparison? How is it moot? Because they are better for Wilson than Newton? Is that what makes them moot?

 

Wilson has been an elite-performing QB for three years. Cam Newton was an elite-performing QB for one year, his senior year in college. And, in terms of experience, Wilson started four years in college and last year (beating out two vet back-ups as a 3rd round rookie (as opposed to Cam being given the keys to the kingdom from Day One) for a total of  nearly 70 starts. He had over 50 in college alone. Cam? He started one season in college.

 

What all this means is, despite Cam being in his second pro year, Wilson is the more developed, more experienced QB. Cam has started around 30 less games than Cam, and iworks harder. And it shows.

 

Hopefully, it will show Sunday, too!

 

Nothing away from Cam, but too many fans here have no idea what Wilson is as a QB. Many are predicting a big year for Cam, and for your sakes I hope he has it. But Wilson already had a big year. This will be his second big year as a pro, not his first.

 

You contradict yourself, you point out how much less experience Cam has and then suggest that Wilson works harder? 

 

Cam had to make the transition from a no-huddle spread option offense to the NFL without the benefit of a full offseason his rookie year and he won OROY in the process but there's a problem with his work ethic?

 

The coaches wouldn't let him wear a wrist band with the plays on it so he wouldn't lean on that as a crutch and he had no problem learning our very complex offensive scheme. 

 

You saw Cam sail those out-route throws at the combine over his receivers, right? He was worked on that throw to the point that it's one of the best if not the best throw in his arsenal. 

 

Wilson meanwhile came from a pro-style offense, in-fact he got a chance to learn the WCO at Wisconsin before he was drafted to Seattle, so if anything Cam's success is evidence that he's had to work much harder than Wilson if we're going to make assumptions.

 

I know what Wilson is as a QB and I respect him... based on your attempt to compare passer rating and completion % it's clear I have a better understanding of what Wilson is and what he's asked to do in your offense than you have of what Cam is and what he's asked to do in our offense.  

 

Bottom line, Cam is a much less experienced QB in a pro-style system (which you correctly pointed out) who is being asked to make much more difficult and high-risk throws based on our scheme. This has a significant impact on any stat you can come up with, so it's an apples/oranges comparison. If we were running a WCO than you could perform a direct comparison. 

[K-Hawk]

Good post? He said his quarterback works harder than ours based on absolutely no evidence.

 

Actually, it's based on finding what I could about both QBs. There is an excellent write-up on Cam here that echos what I am saying about where he has been. It's obvious he hasn't been nearly as focused and mature as Wilson. But, hey, few are. Heck, I've found myself feeling embarrassed the kid is more disciplined than I am at 48 yrs old!

 

But this write-up should cheer you Panthers fans, and indicates a tough Sunday for us Seahawks fans:

 

Cam maturing?

 

Cheers

[TheRed]

If what you got from that article is that Cam is not a hard worker, then you aren't even worth conversing with.

[carolina-chuck]

If Cam had Seattle's D his rookie year we'd have a Lombardi at BofA Stadium right now.

Cam has Carolina's 2013 D now, so say hello to the Lombardi in BOA stadium at the end of this season.

[bleys]

The stats are in my posts. To answer your question rather than sending you back to my posts, higher QB rating, higher completion percentage, more TDs, fewer INTs.

 Wins, too, if you want to go there.

I realize you didn't read my posts, but I said, myself, that Wilson was in a better offense.

Now, my point in saying all this was a response to Panthers fans here stating things like Wilson would slump (when he never has), or that Wilson is a "game manager", which is ridiculous, and that if you keep Wilson in the pocket you stop him when his QB rating is higher in the pocket than on the run. Etc. Yet, Cam is a record-setting QB who is amazing and incredible.

Well, to be repetetive, Wilson had better stats as a senior in college and as a rookie in the pros.

You say the stats are moot. Well, isn't that the primary mode of comparison? How is it moot? Because they are better for Wilson than Newton? Is that what makes them moot?

 

Wilson has been an elite-performing QB for three years. Cam Newton was an elite-performing QB for one year, his senior year in college. And, in terms of experience, Wilson started four years in college and last year (beating out two vet back-ups as a 3rd round rookie (as opposed to Cam being given the keys to the kingdom from Day One) for a total of  nearly 70 starts. He had over 50 in college alone. Cam? He started one season in college.

 

What all this means is, despite Cam being in his second pro year, Wilson is the more developed, more experienced QB. Cam has started around 30 less games than Cam, and iworks harder. And it shows.

 

Hopefully, it will show Sunday, too!

 

Nothing away from Cam, but too many fans here have no idea what Wilson is as a QB. Many are predicting a big year for Cam, and for your sakes I hope he has it. But Wilson already had a big year. This will be his second big year as a pro, not his first.

 

what all this means is you really don't give a fug about sports...  some keyboard jockey pretending you know a fuging thing about football...

 

quite hilarious really...  need I explain this post or will you just assume comparing Wilson's 4 years in college means a damn thing to Cam's NFL experience?

 

The Golden Calf of Bristol says fug off...

 

the answer to that question will tell me whether you attribute the greatest first 2 years of ANY QB in the No Fun League could ever be downplayed in comparison to "4 years of collegiate experience"...

 

 

by the way,

 

 

Cam has started around 30 less games than Cam, and iworks harder. And it shows.

 

 

 

this statement exemplifies the rest of your post.  quit joshing around guy.  

[K-Hawk]

You contradict yourself, you point out how much less experience Cam has and then suggest that Wilson works harder? 

 

Huh? Experience and work ethic are not the same in any way,

 

Cam had to make the transition from a no-huddle spread option offense to the NFL without the benefit of a full offseason his rookie year and he won OROY in the process but there's a problem with his work ethic?

 

I did? Where? Copy and paste the specific quote. I drew a comparison. I did not say Cam was lazy, I said Wilson prepares more. Whether that means Wilson is a 10 and Cam a 5 or Wilson off the charts and Cam also off the charts, but not quite as far off as Wilson is not a distinction I have made. He's your QB: How satisfied are you?

Wilson meanwhile came from a pro-style offense, in-fact he got a chance to learn the WCO at Wisconsin before he was drafted to Seattle, so if anything Cam's success is evidence that he's had to work much harder than Wilson if we're going to make assumptions.

 

Nope. Not much difference between a lockout season and a three-way share of snaps. BTW, ALL QBs that year had to deal with that, not just Cam. And, as said elsewhere, Cam never had to fight for his job. Wilson could have come in and assumed he'd be the 2nd or 3rd QB, behind a 5M/yr QB, but he came in and took the starting job, never doubting he would. If you think being anointed is harder than having to go take a job from the 3rd string position, I'm going to have to disagree with you. And Wilson did that at Wisconsin and Seattle.

 

Want to call it equal? Fine by me. This is a very, very minor part of the analysis, regardless.

 

I know what Wilson is as a QB and I respect him... based on your attempt to compare passer rating and completion % it's clear I have a better understanding of what Wilson is and what he's asked to do in your offense than you have of what Cam is and what he's asked to do in our offense.  

 

Perhaps. But completion % is a stat the QB has the most control over. When you read about Cam, his accuracy is stated as something he's needed to improve on. He's yet to break 60%. Wilson hit 64% in 2012. Are you going on record claiming Cam is as accurate as Wilson when he never has been, not in college, not in the pros? I have ALWAYS thought yards is the least important metric for QBs, offenses and defenses, so it's not just about this comparison.

 

Bottom line, Cam is a much less experienced QB in a pro-style system (which you correctly pointed out) who is being asked to make much more difficult and high-risk throws based on our scheme.

 

This has a significant impact on any stat you can come up with, so it's an apples/oranges comparison. If we were running a WCO than you could perform a direct comparison. 

 

This is a good point to explore, and I think you have the wrong angle in it. What you are claiming is we can never analyze QBs on anything at all because they all play in different systems. No. You have to tease out what the stats mean within their systems. One point you are leaving out is that Cam's system has been weighted toward his skill set. The Seahawks did not have to do that with Wilson because he has no weakness and/or one skill area that is significantly better than the others. Perfectly balanced in being excellent in all of them. His one weakness is that he can tend to be high orlong on the deep ball, but he still threw a lot of 40 and 50-yard balls last season.

 

Wilson makes all the throws. There is nothing he can't throw and nothing he avoids throwing. But, he protects the ball, hence 10 INTs (five were drops; don't know how many of Cam's were drops.) This is about decision-making and is more indicative of the development of the QB than perhaps any other measure when you factor out drops. (Football Outsiders does this, I think. You might explore their stuff.)

 

Wilson consistently chooses the long view over the short. Last season, for example, in the last game he had a choice on a TD: Toss it to the TE and get the rookie record for TDs all to himself, or give the team the safest shot at the TD and run it in. He ran it in. Both were fairly certain TDs, but the running TD was just a little safer, so that's what he did.

 

The INTs aren't about system, it's about accuracy and decision-making. Wilson was more accurate in college and in the pros. Heck, he tossed a 72 or 74% completion rate at Wisconsin! Rodgers and Brady throw the ball all day long and have very low INT numbers. Neither had a decent run game last year and it didn't matter.

 

Cam's the better overall athlete, Wilson the better QB. That's just where they stand right now. It's up to Cam whether he can become the better of the two by being an equal QB and still be the better athlete.

 

[Cj72]

K hawk seems to forget where wilson played most of his college ball. Most of us have seen him play longer than k hawk has even known he existed

[K-Hawk]

 

K hawk seems to forget where wilson played most of his college ball. Most of us have seen him play longer than k hawk has even known he existed

 

 

 

Yeah, kinda surprises me, too, what some of your fans *don't* know about Wilson.

[dosbadfish]

Not that any of you guys need to get any more excited for Sunday, but here's a little vid I made for the occasion. Enjoy!