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What Seahawks fans are saying...

Zod

By Zod,
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I think the funniest thing I read in one of those Seahawks threads was some crybaby poster pouting because "HOW DARE CAM NEWTON NOT SHAKE RUSSELL WILSON'S HAND AFTER LAST YEARS GAME!!!"

 

Only for me to go to panthers.com and..

 

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HOW DARE THAT Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire NOT SHAKE HIS HAND AND EMBRACE HIM IN SUCH A WAY HUZZAAHHH NOW GIMME MORE CRAPPY COFFEE SO I CAN MOTIVATE MYSELF TO GO INTO MY MUDDY DUMP OF A CITY TODAY

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that should have been a penalty. it would have been if Lee had done it to him.

 

He was fined for it, but it was a textbook hit: Shoulder to chest. That Lee wasn't using his peripheral vision is not on Tate. As the saying goes, you keep your head on a swivel and Lee did not. He focused on Wilson to such a degree his peripheral vision wasn't utilized.

We all know the experience. While our eyes see everything in the their field, what we attend to affects what we register. This looked like a bad hit in the sense of how Lee was unprepared, but how the heck do you expect a guy whose field of vision you are fully in to not see you? Tate intentionally looped his run to his own right a bit to get in front of Lee.

I love football, but I hate homerism. Being a fan is not about insulting the other teams or seeing what you want to see. It's about seeing what is there and analyzing it, and standing by your team whether they are any good or not.

It's a clean hit no matter how you look at it, but even clearer in slow mo. Shoulder to chest.

And, rather than another post about the GB game: If you think that wasn't a TD or was called incorrectly, you have not bothered to look at the play objectively or have not looked at all the evidence out there. I can show you film that has four frames that show Tate's hand contacting the ball FIRST, stopping the fall of the ball over the next three frames, a period of time over which the ball would have traveled from around the level above Jennings' head down to Jennings' solar plexus had Tate not already caught it, which allows Jennings to get his hands on it. If Tate doesn't touch that ball and stop it, Jennings whiffs.

More importantly, what did the ref SEE in real time? A bunch of hands go after a ball, the ball and hands all disappear from view since he was BEHIND the players, then both players with their arms around the ball on the ground, Tie goes to the receiving team. He could not call it any differently than he did, and possession was not reviewable, only the call of TD or not. Whomever had the ball when he looked at the pile was who was going to be judged to have possession. The ref could not see that until he ran up to the pile and at that time - regardless of what transpired before, because he could not see that - both had arms wrapped around the ball.

This call, if looked at rationally, isn't even controversial! It is the biggest fake controversy in NFL history.

When it comes to the Wail Mary, don't be irrational. It was called the only way it could have been called, and the footage from King13 TV, looking into the play, not from behind it, proves it was an absolutely correct call regardless of how well the officials could or could not see it.

Will provide links for those who are football fans, and rational., if you wish.

And anyone whining about the Wail Mary and ignoring the extension of GB's only TD drive because of a call that was absolutely, blatantly, inarguably a phantom call on interference, really does not deserve type space. You want to take away Seattle's TD because of a *correct* call, then you dang sure have to take away GB's based on a universally acknowledge phantom call. And if you do take both away, what's the score? Sea 7, GB 6.

Golden Tate made acrobatic catch after acrobatic catch last season. He's got amazing reflexes and extremely strong hands. His yards after the catch were among the very highest in the league, breaking multiple tackles on many runs after catches. He will do the same this year. But, seattle ran more than any other team last year, and the coaches didn't let the offense loose until the fourth quarter of the Chicago game last year or all the Seattle receiver's numbers would be higher. Check their stats the last five games vs. the whole year if you want to accuarately judge them. 14.44 ypc before Chicago, 19.86 the last 5 games. The best average for the season was 19.2 with next best 17.8, so that is a strong five game average for Tate. I'm sure you'd see similar # changes for other Seahawks receivers, and it all comes down to Carroll opening up the offense. (BTW, he acknowledged in an interview after the Chicago game that he had made a mistake in being too careful with Wilson - which I was screaning at my TV from Game 1. Wilson needed no transition from HS to college, from NC to Wisconsin, nor from Wisconsin to the NFL. We'd have easily been NFCW champs had Carroll never held Wilson and the offense back.)

Disrespecting a player for playing well and making an incredibly difficult catch is not sportsmanlike.

And, yeah, I'm a dweeb: I think sportsmanship should be the #1 thing in all sports at all times. Less exciting, but far more worthy of our respect. I wish fans of all teams would choose not to be fanatics and instead be sportsmanlike fans

Ah, well.

Regarding the game, do your analysis on Seattle from Chicago on, or you are assessing the wrong team. The key to the game will be our patchwork D-line. If it performs well, we should win. If it doesn't, probably will go your way.

I'll call the QB's even given HFA. (Wilson was a top five (NFL QBR Wilson 100, Newton 86), top ten (ESPN QBR Wilson #7, Newton #16; Football Outsiders DVOA Wilson #6, Newton #15) or #1 QB (Football Outsiders DVOA 2nd half of season) depending on whose analysis you use.)

 

WRs: Adv. Seattle. The rook is a homerun threat, the other three very good to great.

Run Game: Adv. Seattle. All three RBs could legitimately start for an NFL team. Mike Rob hurts, but Seattle will use less 2-back sets for now, almost certainly.

Defense, call it even: Front 7, Adv. Carolina; Back 7, Adv. Seattle

 

Trenches: Adv. Carolina.

 

ST: Adv. Seattle.

Seattle wins a close one.

Cheers

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He was fined for it, but it was a textbook hit: Shoulder to chest. That Lee wasn't using his peripheral vision is not on Tate. As the saying goes, you keep your head on a swivel and Lee did not. He focused on Wilson to such a degree his peripheral vision wasn't utilized.

We all know the experience. While our eyes see everything in the their field, what we attend to affects what we register. This looked like a bad hit in the sense of how Lee was unprepared, but how the heck do you expect a guy whose field of vision you are fully in to not see you? Tate intentionally looped his run to his own right a bit to get in front of Lee.

I love football, but I hate homerism. Being a fan is not about insulting the other teams or seeing what you want to see. It's about seeing what is there and analyzing it, and standing by your team whether they are any good or not.

It's a clean hit no matter how you look at it, but even clearer in slow mo. Shoulder to chest.

And, rather than another post about the GB game: If you think that wasn't a TD or was called incorrectly, you have not bothered to look at the play objectively or have not looked at all the evidence out there. I can show you film that has four frames that show Tate's hand contacting the ball FIRST, stopping the fall of the ball over the next three frames, a period of time over which the ball would have traveled from around the level above Jennings' head down to Jennings' solar plexus had Tate not already caught it, which allows Jennings to get his hands on it. If Tate doesn't touch that ball and stop it, Jennings whiffs.

More importantly, what did the ref SEE in real time? A bunch of hands go after a ball, the ball and hands all disappear from view since he was BEHIND the players, then both players with their arms around the ball on the ground, Tie goes to the receiving team. He could not call it any differently than he did, and possession was not reviewable, only the call of TD or not. Whomever had the ball when he looked at the pile was who was going to be judged to have possession. The ref could not see that until he ran up to the pile and at that time - regardless of what transpired before, because he could not see that - both had arms wrapped around the ball.

This call, if looked at rationally, isn't even controversial! It is the biggest fake controversy in NFL history.

When it comes to the Wail Mary, don't be irrational. It was called the only way it could have been called, and the footage from King13 TV, looking into the play, not from behind it, proves it was an absolutely correct call regardless of how well the officials could or could not see it.

Will provide links for those who are football fans, and rational., if you wish.

And anyone whining about the Wail Mary and ignoring the extension of GB's only TD drive because of a call that was absolutely, blatantly, inarguably a phantom call on interference, really does not deserve type space. You want to take away Seattle's TD because of a *correct* call, then you dang sure have to take away GB's based on a universally acknowledge phantom call. And if you do take both away, what's the score? Sea 7, GB 6.

Golden Tate made acrobatic catch after acrobatic catch last season. He's got amazing reflexes and extremely strong hands. His yards after the catch were among the very highest in the league, breaking multiple tackles on many runs after catches. He will do the same this year. But, seattle ran more than any other team last year, and the coaches didn't let the offense loose until the fourth quarter of the Chicago game last year or all the Seattle receiver's numbers would be higher. Check their stats the last five games vs. the whole year if you want to accuarately judge them. 14.44 ypc before Chicago, 19.86 the last 5 games. The best average for the season was 19.2 with next best 17.8, so that is a strong five game average for Tate. I'm sure you'd see similar # changes for other Seahawks receivers, and it all comes down to Carroll opening up the offense. (BTW, he acknowledged in an interview after the Chicago game that he had made a mistake in being too careful with Wilson - which I was screaning at my TV from Game 1. Wilson needed no transition from HS to college, from NC to Wisconsin, nor from Wisconsin to the NFL. We'd have easily been NFCW champs had Carroll never held Wilson and the offense back.)

Disrespecting a player for playing well and making an incredibly difficult catch is not sportsmanlike.

And, yeah, I'm a dweeb: I think sportsmanship should be the #1 thing in all sports at all times. Less exciting, but far more worthy of our respect. I wish fans of all teams would choose not to be fanatics and instead be sportsmanlike fans

Ah, well.

Regarding the game, do your analysis on Seattle from Chicago on, or you are assessing the wrong team. The key to the game will be our patchwork D-line. If it performs well, we should win. If it doesn't, probably will go your way.

I'll call the QB's even given HFA. (Wilson was a top five (NFL QBR Wilson 100, Newton 86), top ten (ESPN QBR Wilson #7, Newton #16; Football Outsiders DVOA Wilson #6, Newton #15) or #1 QB (Football Outsiders DVOA 2nd half of season) depending on whose analysis you use.)

 

WRs: Adv. Seattle. The rook is a homerun threat, the other three very good to great.

Run Game: Adv. Seattle. All three RBs could legitimately start for an NFL team. Mike Rob hurts, but Seattle will use less 2-back sets for now, almost certainly.

Defense, call it even: Front 7, Adv. Carolina; Back 7, Adv. Seattle

 

Trenches: Adv. Carolina.

 

ST: Adv. Seattle.

Seattle wins a close one.

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wilson looked very "flapable" against a mediocre Green Bay defense this preseason. Don't think to highly of your team now..

 

Incorrect. He never lost his composure and you never saw panic in his eyes. Yer lyin' if you say you did. What you did see was GB brining a mad rush and Seattle staying in its base O and not even trying to adjust to it. Carroll said GB had said they were not going to blitz like they did. People lie. :)

Also, Wilson's big weakness? It can take him a while to zero in on his long ball. He seemed to have that fixed a bit vs. Oakland. He'll probably be a bit high and long this first week, tho. I think it comes from his long arms and very high release point, but he'll dial it in after a bit.

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