oh and btw deangelo and jstew are probably both gone next year...

[frash.exe]

It's hard to gauge a running backs effectiveness when:

a: he gets 10 carries or less a game

b: he plays behind a mediocre o-line

c: his oc if fugging retarded

d: his hc doesn't recognize a-c and benches him

Oh haha so it's everybody else's fault the entire time

[CRA]

You do realize there's already 16.5M dead money (as of right now, more can be added after the 53) for 2014 right? So you're telling me, with ~25M cap space for next year (at best) you're going to wipe that all away to throw us ~15M over the cap again next year without: resigning any FA's, paying your 2014 draft picks, accounting for a Kraken extension, and only having about 40 of your 53 on contract for 2014.

It's not opinionated, it's just math

You can create cap room....while adding dead money. Carolina would be looking at the trade off....create cap space.

So you think they will keep a RB that is either to hurt or just ineffective.....b/c it creates dead money? Why wouldn't they prefer to use the created cap space to add talent to actually help instead?

[Icege]

I'll take the blame for this one. I bought a JStew jersey at the end of last season. My bad :(

[ncmonzta]

Oh haha so it's everybody else's fault the entire time

Not the entire time just the first half of season

[bleys]

Jury still up.

I like Lacy's potential a lot but hasn't shown much in preseason. I'm just saying as of right now, doesn't have a reliable back.

 

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "the jury is still out," for 200, Alex.

 

stop...  just..don't..I mean.....stop.

[Galvatron]

I just love how a guy who has yet to play a single NFL game has already been anointed DeAngelo/JStew's replacement. Maybe we should wait to see him actually play in a couple of games before making a decision.

 

And DeAngelo is useless! Do you overreact much? Seems he did ok at the end of last season and was ranked 8th best out of 52 two seasons ago by Football Outsiders.

 

 

A ranking from two seasons ago means a little more than nothing on a RB that is 30. I love Dwill but I want to see the Panthers move on.

[TheRed]

This endless debate is mind numbing. We need to get a gameday thread going already.

[PantherFeez]

You can create cap room....while adding dead money. Carolina would be looking at the trade off....create cap space.

So you think they will keep a RB that is either to hurt or just ineffective.....b/c it creates dead money? Why wouldn't they prefer to use the created cap space to add talent to actually help

They are stuck with stew til at min 2015, no he won't be cut next year. DWill will burn off 4M of guaranteed if kept next year and his cap hit isn't huge and his productivity will be fine this year.

The topic is us getting rid of both rbs next year and I'm stating that isn't happening and it is far more likely they both stick next year. I can't tell you it's fact, but I can say the numbers weigh in the favor of both staying.

[CRA]

You can create cap room....while adding dead money. Carolina would be looking at the trade off....create cap space.

So you think they will keep a RB that is either to hurt or just ineffective.....b/c it creates dead money? Why wouldn't they prefer to use the created cap space to add talent to actually help

They are stuck with stew til at min 2015, no he won't be cut next year. DWill will burn off 4M of guaranteed if kept next year and his cap hit isn't huge and his productivity will be fine this year.

The topic is us getting rid of both rbs next year and I'm stating that isn't happening and it is far more likely they both stick next year. I can't tell you it's fact, but I can say the numbers weigh in the favor of both staying.

One goes. That is part of DG "fixing the mess". Fixing the mess isn't just Hurney magicing all Hurney's magic.

Next year is the ideal time to go to work on this O

[Jai]

Thanks for all the info, but we have a GM that get's paid to work these kind of problems out.  Stop hitting the panic button.

[Carl Spackler]

Son of a bitch with the contracts, Hurney

[CCS]

I was one of the people who really thought we had to get double trouble locked down because they were an important part of the team. Now it's sad to say but they just aren't worth it anymore. Sure D-Will will have a good game now and then but for the most part he never even gets past the line of scrimmage and J-Stew is injured most of the time. I'm completely fine with moving ahead with Barner and Tolbert or Barner and some other veteran.

[Mr. Scot]

I actually think Gettleman has been trying to find a way to keep both Williams and Stewart, and I think the reason is because it's what Rivera wants.

Depending on how this season plays out, Gettleman may or may not agree that keeping them is the best way to go.

(he may also feel differently about keeping Rivera)

[CRA]

I actually think Gettleman has been trying to find a way to keep both Williams and Stewart, and I think the reason is because it's what Rivera wants.

Depending on how this season plays out, Gettleman may or may not agree that keeping them is the best way to go.

(he may also feel differently about keeping Rivera)

Williams has was demoted in 2011 (snaps) and 2012 (flat out demoted to #2).....yet you think Rivera is just begging DG to find a way to keep him?

Also the first Rivera move was bringing in Tolbert. To steal carries form guys that already couldn't get enough

I am curious, what makes you think RR wants John Fox's RBs? He isn't even using them and doesn't even prefer Williams if he has options healthy