Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[teeray]

You can't just exit Cams running numbers out of the equation because Cam has been part of our running game.

This is a bit of an exaggeration to make a point, but that is like saying if you took out Adrian Peterson's rushing yards the Vikings would be last in rushing.

[CRA]

Like usual you are only presenting what you want to give a skewed point of view. In 2010 we drafted Lafell in the 2nd round, Edwards in the 4rd round and Gettis in the 6th. Nevermind that we already had a number 1 receiver in Smith. Then we trade in 2011 for Olsen who was a first round draft pick and bring in Shockey who was also a first rounder albeit a number of years ago.

Follow that up with 2 running backs who were both first rounders. Then add that we already had 2 probowl linemen and Otah who was first rounder (admittedly hurt much of the time) and Wharton who until he struggled in 2011 was solid.

The point is that we have drafted and brought in more talent on offense than we ever have on defense outside of linebacker.

You are going back in time....before Cam.

As for Smith should be #2. He was even saying he was ready pre Cam.

All I am saying is we are going down a unique road....we aren't drafting weapons that fit his talent for him to grow with. 3 years in, it makes our handling of him unique.

I mean you are countering we aren't building around Cam....by bringing up RBs drafted in Fox years...Cam was just entering high school as far back as you are going

[CRA]

Offense sells tickets.

Defense wins games.

The 1970's called and said thanks for the shout out...

[TheRed]

We could argue about previous drafts and personnel moves all day.

 

In the end it all comes down to who we chose as our head coach. Who as we all know is in a potential lame duck year. So if Rivera walks, that is three years wasted with a franchise QB who has gotten little actual development.

[panthers55]

Piggybacking off of my earlier post on our rushing stats. take the rushing yards of the qbs away from the seahawks and the redskins and they still have a top 10-15 running game. take it from us and we drop off the face of the planet. 

You need to look at our stats as quality stats not quantity stats.   For example sure our rushing goes down if you take Cam out of the mix but you have to look at how many carries we actually ran if you take his away.  For example in 2012, Washington and Seattle led the league in rushing attempts.  If you take RGIII rushes away they still rushed the ball 400 times for 1800 yards (4.5).  If you take away Wilson's rushes they still rushed 442 times for 2000 yards (4.5).

We ran the ball a total of 462 times and if you take out Newton's 127 that leaves 335 rushes for 1300 yards. (3.9). Sure they were better but they were the two best rushing teams in the NFL. We were not great but not nearly as bad as you want to portray.  Take out the stupid read option plays which boosted newton's stats but not Stewarts and Williams and we were not much worse then most other teams.

[AceBoogie]

Like usual you are only presenting what you want to give a skewed point of view.  In 2010 we drafted Lafell in the 2nd round, Edwards in the 4rd round and Gettis in the 6th. Nevermind that we already had a number 1 receiver in Smith.  Then we trade in 2011 for Olsen who was a first round draft pick and bring in Shockey who was also a first rounder albeit a number of years ago.

Follow that up with 2 running backs who were both first rounders.  Then add that we already had 2 probowl linemen and Otah who was first rounder (admittedly hurt much of the time) and Wharton who until he struggled in 2011 was solid.

The point is that we have drafted and brought in more talent on offense than we ever have on defense outside of linebacker.

Those guys were drafted for Jimmy how sad when you think about it. We haven't drafted poo for Cam except....

 

Joe Adams waived/ir

Amini-D2 lt turned guard who has been awful

Kug-well don't get me started.

 

everything we've drafted has been so Rivera can try to build his super defense that hasn't been so super.

[CRA]

You need to look at our stats as quality stats not quantity stats. For example sure our rushing goes down if you take Cam out of the mix but you have to look at how many carries we actually ran if you take his away. For example in 2012, Washington and Seattle led the league in rushing attempts. If you take RGIII rushes away they still rushed the ball 400 times for 1800 yards (4.5). If you take away Wilson's rushes they still rushed 442 times for 2000 yards (4.5).

We ran the ball a total of 462 times and if you take out Newton's 127 that leaves 335 rushes for 1300 yards. (3.9). Sure they were better but they were the two best rushing teams in the NFL. We were not great but not nearly as bad as you want to portray. Take out the stupid read option plays which boosted newton's stats but not Stewarts and Williams and we were not much worse then most other teams.

The Saints alone give Double Trouble almost a full yard increase on their ypc average...

They were middle of the road at best last year

[teeray]

Going back to where are focus should have been the last two years.

If you have no brakes but you are also low on windshield washer fluid, which do you fix first?

The offense didn't need to be fixed it needed to be improved upon, the defense however, needed to be fixed.

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

The 1970's called and said thanks for the shout out...

 

Though I see your point, I have always been a believer in this philosophy, as evident by the CAR vs BAL game. 

[carolinanimal]

You need to look at our stats as quality stats not quantity stats.   For example sure our rushing goes down if you take Cam out of the mix but you have to look at how many carries we actually ran if you take his away.  For example in 2012, Washington and Seattle led the league in rushing attempts.  If you take RGIII rushes away they still rushed the ball 400 times for 1800 yards (4.5).  If you take away Wilson's rushes they still rushed 442 times for 2000 yards (4.5).

We ran the ball a total of 462 times and if you take out Newton's 127 that leaves 335 rushes for 1300 yards. (3.9). Sure they were better but they were the two best rushing teams in the NFL. We were not great but not nearly as bad as you want to portray.  Take out the stupid read option plays which boosted newton's stats but not Stewarts and Williams and we were not much worse then most other teams.

 

we may not have been horrible. but we would have been mediocre at best at running the ball. also those team ran some read option as well. they ran the ball to protect their qbs. 

[CanadianCat]

Great thread.

 

I agree they could have done more yet we had the #1 pick because we had a LOT of holes. So I cannot really blame the team for the direction they went. Ultimately they picked the players they thought would best help the team. 

 

On the flip side the team I have seen do the MOST to help their young QB was the Falcons with Ryan. They went all in on helping him - yet Im sure they could argue that they would have been fine with White, Turner and Gonzo and could really have used the Julio picks on other positions...

[CRA]

Though I see your point, I have always been a believer in this philosophy, as evident by the CAR vs BAL game.

the Baltimore's don't scare me against our D....the Patriot type offenses do.

[pantherclaw]

so do you think everything has been done to help Cam since his drafting?

I know a lot has been done to improve this team.

I may not agree with everything that's been done, but no one will ever agree on that.

Can't fix everything.

I'm glad the defense has finially been addressed.

All the offense in the world can't help when facing another high powered offense.

[BigBoss]

Cam took a hit on 25% of his drop backs last year, more than any other quarterback. One way to handle your franchise qb is protect him and give him time. Not at all something happening here.