Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[SCP]

note this too, when it comes to the point of us providing Cam with a "running game". in 2011, we ranked 3rd in rushing with 2408 yards, Cam had 706 rushing yards that year. w/o his yards we drop from 3rd to 21st.

in 2012, we ranked 9th in rushing with 2088 yards, Cam had 741 yards, w/o his yards we go from 9th to 30th. OUCH!!!

So in essence since drafted Cam has been our passing game and our running game.

Wow. That puts things into context.

[CRA]

Panther's rushing attack wasn't good in 2012.  Not the one meant to help Cam.  He helps them.

 

What have we done so that it will improve?

 

At best you can call what Double Trouble did in 2012 as average...that is if you look at there 14 games against real NFL defense.  Everyone in the league wishes they could of padded there numbers with 2 bonus games against NO.

[KillerKat]

OL should always come first after drafting your franchise QB. We haven't done enough.

[carolinanimal]

This team already had a good running game. They improved the tight end position, and have been trying to improve the receiver position.

We have a pretty decent oline, unfortunately injuries have kept it from coming together.

So I don't agree with the OP at all.

Cam has weapons and an offense arround him.

 

so do you think everything has been done to help Cam since his drafting? 

[carolinanimal]

Panther's rushing attack wasn't good in 2012.  Not the one meant to help Cam.  He helps them.

 

What have we done so that it will improve?

 

At best you can call what Double Trouble did in 2012 as average...that is if you look at there 14 games against real NFL defense.  Everyone in the league wishes they could of padded there numbers with 2 bonus games against NO.

 

Piggybacking off of my earlier post on our rushing stats. take the rushing yards of the qbs away from the seahawks and the redskins and they still have a top 10-15 running game. take it from us and we drop off the face of the planet. 

[jtm]

What did the other teams do for their franchise QB? People make it out like Luck, Rg3, Kaep, and Wison have weapons all over the place. Their offenses don't have more weapons than we do. Our D has been the problem.

[CRA]

Piggybacking off of my earlier post on our rushing stats. take the rushing yards of the qbs away from the seahawks and the redskins and they still have a top 10-15 running game. take it from us and we drop off the face of the planet.

And evaluate Double Trouble last year looking and what they did in the 14 real games that featured defenses....

They were a 3 yard per carry attack. If that is giving Cam a good rush attack.... every QB in the NFL gets that.

[panthers55]

We have done plenty for Newton and continue to do more.  The majority of free agent pickups in the last 3 years that weren't due to injury were on the offensive side and not the defensive side.  Of the 28 draft picks we have had since 2010- 13 have been offense, 14 have been defense and 1 was a punter. In addition if you look at which side of the ball had the most veteran talent heading into 2011 it was the offense not the defense.

This whole notion we aren't building around Cam comes from the difficulty finding a number 2 receiver.  People who say that however don't realize that we have been drafting and bringing in guys to do just that but they haven't always worked out.  All the o-line discussion is really due to guys not developing as well as we would like or due to injuries.  We have more first and second rounders on the offensive line as we do on the defensive line and more pro-bowlers. 

 

The fact that Cam has struggled at times is not due to who we have around him as it has to do with the progression it takes for a quarterback to go from good to elite in this league.  Look at how long it took Eli Manning and Brees to develop.  This is only the beginning of year 3.  The elephant in the room is really that other quarterbacks get more credit because their team wins more. Statistically they aren't better (playing in a similar scheme) nor do most of them have better weapons. (There are exceptions but not across the board)  What they do have is a better defense.  Something I hope changes for us beginning this year.

[Creep59]

I have said it before -  I think the biggest problem with this offense is the lack of an OC/Head coach who knows how to utilize Newton  most effectively  -   not lack of personnel.   Since he got here there seems to be a "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks "  approach to developing a system around him.  This year theyve thrown the idea out there that we are going to pound the rock.  Im not sure that is a formula for success with Newton as our qb.

[CRA]

What did the other teams do for their franchise QB? People make it out like Luck, Rg3, Kaep, and Wison have weapons all over the place. Their offenses don't have more weapons than we do. Our D has been the problem.

Rank their OLs

Rank the production they are given by RBs to aid them

Now....where is Carolina. Our D is one of our problems. Our inconstant offense has cost is games as well. It is inconsistent because Cam is required to ball out for 4 quarters each week

[CRA]

We have done plenty for Newton and continue to do more. The majority of free agent pickups in the last 3 years that weren't due to injury were on the offensive side and not the defensive side. Of the 28 draft picks we have had since 2010- 13 have been offense, 14 have been defense and 1 was a punter. In addition if you look at which side of the ball had the most veteran talent heading into 2011 it was the offense not the defense.

This whole notion we are building around Cam comes from the difficulty finding a number 2 receiver. People who say that however don't realize that we have been drafting and bringing in guys to do just that but they haven't always worked out. All the o-line discussion is really due to guys not developing as well as we would like or due to injuries. We have more first and second rounders on the offensive line as we do on the defensive line and more pro-bowlers.

The fact that Cam has struggled at times is not due to who we have around him as it has to do with the progression it takes for a quarterback to go from good to elite in this league. Look at how long it took Eli Manning and Brees to develop. This is only the beginning of year 3. The elephant in the room is really that other quarterbacks get more credit because their team wins more. Statistically they aren't better (playing in a similar scheme) nor do most of them have better weapons. (There are exceptions but not across the board) What they do have is a better defense. Something I hope changes for us beginning this year.

Signing one year deals for castoffs to fill roster spots? Bandaids?

Legatron?

Murphy?

Hixon?

Ginn?

We draft 4th and 5th rounders looking to hit the lotto to help.

We draft project Gs

When franchises draft a QB to be their franchise.... they draft for him. We haven't. We bargain shop and buy lotto tickets. 3 years in, Cam is unique in that

[panthers55]

Signing one year deals for castoffs to fill roster spots? Bandaids?

Legatron?

Murphy?

Hixon?

Ginn?

We draft 4th and 5th rounders looking to hit the lotto to help.

We draft project Gs

When franchises draft a QB to be their franchise.... they draft for him. We haven't. We bargain shop and buy lotto tickets. 3 years in, Cam is unique in that

Like usual you are only presenting what you want to give a skewed point of view.  In 2010 we drafted Lafell in the 2nd round, Edwards in the 4rd round and Gettis in the 6th. Nevermind that we already had a number 1 receiver in Smith.  Then we trade in 2011 for Olsen who was a first round draft pick and bring in Shockey who was also a first rounder albeit a number of years ago.

Follow that up with 2 running backs who were both first rounders.  Then add that we already had 2 probowl linemen and Otah who was first rounder (admittedly hurt much of the time) and Wharton who until he struggled in 2011 was solid.

The point is that we have drafted and brought in more talent on offense than we ever have on defense outside of linebacker.

[carolina-chuck]

IMO, we've done somewhat pretty good. In his rookie season we traded for Greg Olsen and signed Shockey. ATM we're depending on a lot of other no.3 receivers other than 89, but I believe that he has enough pieces to go and win. Not to mention we have a 100mil backfield. We can really use another solid no.2 receiver but in general we had given Cam pieces to work with.

The question isn't if Cam had been giving enough weapons to win. It's more of a "lack of utilizing" the offense. Rivera/Chud became greedy of Cam's talents. Rather than trying to win games, they wanted to showcase Cam's abilities. Chud went on and received a HC job to prove it.

Carolina: 89, Olsen, Shockey (11'), LaFell, Ginn, Hixon, Dwill, Stew, Tolbert

Washington: Garcon, Moss, Davis, Morgan, Morris

Seattle: Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Harvin, Lynch, Michaels

Indianapolis: Wayne, Hilton, Avery, Allen, Fleener, DHB, Vallard, Brown, Bradshaw

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

Offense sells tickets.

 

Defense wins games.