Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[FootballMaestro]

Argggh, these doubles. Lol

[teeray]

Bad division or not.....that was a good team they had around their QB. They didn't even have a QB. There offense wasn't good b/c they didn't have a good QB. Team surivived b/c they had a good TEAM.

We don't have a good and well rounded team. Take away our QB....we can't get to 8-8 in a bad division.

Denver had one of the worst offenses in the NFL that season, but made the playoffs because of solid defense and special teams.

[CRA]

Agreed. 

 

However, was that the Panthers defensive players, or coaching scheme, in those critical moments?

only reason we were top 10 in yards is b/c Rivera masterfully schemes around his weak talent IMO.

 

D in critical moments....sometimes you can't hide people.  You have to ask them to do X and we didn't have the talent.

[xav8tor]

 

Take Luke off the field we don't drop much.  

 

Not if the game v. the Ravens last week was any indication whatsoever of how he, the D, and the O are going to play this year. (Yes, I know, preseason, playbook not opened, yada, yada).  Take Luke out of that one and we probably would have lost the game.  I bet our potential point differential changes significantly now if he's out.  He's not just playing MLB, he's running the D, make that commanding...at a level beyond where one might think it should be performing overall.

 

That said, I agree we've done a poor job of giving Cam the chance he needs to perform up to his own potential.  We haven't armored him, we haven't provided sufficient weapons, and I'm not convinced he'e been coached/led all that well either.

[teeray]

we are talking about a team...not a QB.

the reason they went 8-8 depsite having the biggest joke in the world at QB....they had a good football team. Of course, The Golden Calf of Bristol handicapped their offense.

We don't go 8-8 with The Golden Calf of Bristol...regardless of division.

Isn't that kind of my point? If we have a top 10 offense but a bad defense shouldn't we be focusing on our defense and special teams to become more well rounded instead of relying solely on the offense to make or break us?

[JawnyBlaze]

Bad division or not.....that was a good team they had around their QB.  They didn't even have a QB.  There offense wasn't good b/c they didn't have a good QB.  Team surivived b/c they had a good TEAM.

 

We don't have a good and well rounded team.  Take away our QB....we can't get to 8-8 in a bad division.

 

They survived because they had a good defense.  I'd be willing to bet if you take this year's team switch out Cam for Derek Anderson (or hell, even The Golden Calf of Bristol with the right OC) and play the Broncos opponents that year, we'd go 8-8.  I'm not saying they haven't built a good team overall, in addition to adding Peyton.  I'm just saying, that year their offense was NOT good.  Their defense (and veteran coaching, as much as it pains me to say) carried the offense to a mediocre record, whereas when we were in the same situation (TERRIBLE QB), we had a coach who didn't give a fug (though ironically, the same guy the Broncos had, of course) and a defense and ST that weren't as good as the Broncos'.  Not nearly good enough to carry the offense.

 

[CRA]

Denver had one of the worst offenses in the NFL that season, but made the playoffs because of solid defense and special teams.

 

Yes, there offense was bad b/c of The Golden Calf of Bristol.  They went 8-8 with literally no QB.  Why? The team outside the QB was good. 

 

Defenese? Good

Special Teams? Good

 

Offensive line? Good

RBs? Old and washed up yet still produced behind that OL and no threat of a pass attack

WRs?  They had already started investing in young WRs....they had no QB though.

 

Team excluding the QB was good.  Our team team since Cam arrived hasn't been strong if you exclude him.

[Mr. Scot]

Take Luke off the field we don't drop much. 

 

:blink:

[Kurb]

My honest opinion is that we've had one draft (and even that missing a third rounder) and aren't even all the way out of our first offseason under the new regime just yet.

 

Not a whole lot of point in discussing what was done or the way things were done under Hurney as none of that applies now.

 

It's still a little early to really know how things are going to be handled.

 

Forgive me, but that is as ignorant of a statement as I have seen in awhile.

 

How are we as a fanbase to educate ourselves and better understand where the Franchise is headed if we do not take the time and try and understand how we ended up where we are?

 

It absolutely applies, it applies with a 40 million dollar Stewart on the PUP, it applies with a lack of OLine depth, a lack of impact skill players, it applies when the cap was/is in shambles limiting our new GM's ability to mold the roster.

 

Panther fans absolutely need to look back and often, to become better fans and more educated fans.

[xav8tor]

Forgive me, but that is as ignorant of a statement as I have seen in awhile.

 

How are we as a fanbase to educate ourselves and better understand where the Franchise is headed if we do not take the time and try and understand how we ended up where we are?

 

It absolutely applies, it applies with a 40 million dollar Stewart on the PUP, it applies with a lack of OLine depth, a lack of impact skill players, it applies when the cap was/is in shambles limiting our new GM's ability to mold the roster.

 

Panther fans absolutely need to look back and often, to become better fans and more educated fans.

 

Yes, those who do not remember the past (and learn from it), are doomed to repeat it.

[teeray]

Yes, there offense was bad b/c of The Golden Calf of Bristol. They went 8-8 with literally no QB. Why? The team around the QB was good.

Defenese? Good

Special Teams? Good

Offensive line? Good

RBs? Old and washed up yet still produced behind that OL and no threat of a pass attack

WRs? They had already started investing in young WRs....they had no QB though.

Team around the QB was good. Our team team around Cam hasn't been that strong to date.

Look I am as big a Cam nuthugger as there is in this forum. Someone recently said I would defend the guy if he raped babies.

But Cam is not so good that he has made us a top 10 offense all by himself. We have playmakers. Could we have more? Sure. Do we need O line help? Yes. Do we need a future #1 receiver? Probably.

But our defense was in very much worse shape than our offense and in order to become more balanced as a team that can win even when the offense struggles we had to shore up our defense first.

[micnificent28]

They built him a good offense 2 seasons ago, and now while they were trying to fix the defense so that the team can win some games, the offense became mediocre.

They went and got olsen. every thing else was a hold over.

[Peppers90 NC]

well folks, you can only do so much at a time with limited resources.  even as far back as last year, the perception was the defense was losing games(which i though was only the case a couple times last year) which forced Cam to feel he had to carry the team(which is a load of crap).  so we shore up the defense and now complain we havent given enough for our franchise QB.  point is, nobody will ever be happy and all teams have some type of deficiencies, and that's where top notch coaching staffs make a difference, by minimizing those deficiencies and taking advantage of what we do have.

[Mr. Scot]

Forgive me, but that is as ignorant of a statement as I have seen in awhile.

 

How are we as a fanbase to educate ourselves and better understand where the Franchise is headed if we do not take the time and try and understand how we ended up where we are?

 

It absolutely applies, it applies with a 40 million dollar Stewart on the PUP, it applies with a lack of OLine depth, a lack of impact skill players, it applies when the cap was/is in shambles limiting our new GM's ability to mold the roster.

 

Panther fans absolutely need to look back and often, to become better fans and more educated fans.

 

 

How much information do you really think you could have gained about how Gettleman would handle this year's draft based on looking at Marty Hurney's drafts?

 

If you want to talk about how things were done that got us to where we are now, then yes, discussion of team moves under Hurney applies.

 

If you want to talk about what happens in the future - which was my take - then it's pretty much utterly meaningless.

 

The discussion topic - as I see it - is primarily about how the franchise will be handling Newton from here on out.  How does Hurney apply to that?

 

Should fans know the history of the team?  Sure, but a full on examination of everything Marty Hurney did during his time in charge tells you pretty much zero about how Dave Gettleman's going to run things.