Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[JawnyBlaze]

Isn't that true of any great QB? If Payton Manning gets hurt Denvers offense would also bottom out. Same with Brees or Brady.

 

While I agree with your point for the most part, there's one point against it:  the year Brady went out for the season in game 1 and the Patriots went 11-5.  There was certainly a dip in production, but they didn't bottom out.  I do agree for most any other team with an elite QB NOT coached by Belicheat, losing the QB would completely kill their offense.

 

[Rules&Regulations]

The Colts, Redskins, and Seahawks' defenses also didn't cost them a majority of their games. Easy to build around your QB when the rest of the team is doing their job.

[teeray]

Ahh, but you are missing what I am saying.

I wasn't expecting to win more than a handful of games Cam's first two seasons.

They should have been dedicated to making Cam and his offense the absolute best they could be. Weapons, Dominate Line Play, QB Coaching and confidence building is all the Carolina Panthers should have been worried about internally.

Not saying every draft pick should have been Offense, but Cam should have been our focus. Not trying to limp into the playoffs with a halfassed team.

If you consider your post earlier, about top 10 in all those categories of offense, and then consider how the Saints became SB champions after they signed Brees you will see what I am saying.

If the Panthers were putting up a 34 burger every game, last season we could have likely made the playoffs, still drafted Defensive Tackles galore (not star mind you), and could be focusing on completeing the team.

Instead the FO (not gonna pin it all on Hurney) decided they could bandaid things to get us some wins, and instead of healing our wounds after the lockout the FO smeared poo in them and wondered why we had infections.

Yeah but my point is, if you already have a top 10 offense but a bad defense why would you be focused on your offense.

Not saying we couldn't have done more on offense, we did draft some guys though when are pretty much all off the team or hurt now :(

Two years ago our offense was pretty awesome. We still sucked as a team bc of defense and special teams

[CRA]

Isn't that true of any great QB? If Payton Manning gets hurt Denvers offense would also bottom out. Same with Brees or Brady.

 

Last time Brady went down, Matt Cassell went 11-5.

 

Peyton's Bronco team went to the playoffs with The Golden Calf of Bristol at QB the year before...so I would say the Bronco's have a good team around Peyton.

[Kurb]

I think he definitely could have been given MORE help, but I also don't think he (or our offense) has been neglected as much as some here think.  

 

 

I argee with several of your points. Paying two starting RB's can never be justified, at least with those Numbers.  A lot of the oline picks were late JAG's. Not trying to be rude, just disagree.

 

 

Compare what the Panthers did for Cam in year 1 to what the Colts/Skins did.

 

Panthers: Resigned 2 RB's, Traded for Olsen, Drafted a WR, Drafted Late Round Nobodies at OL

 

 

Colts: Drafted Fleener (TE), Dwayne Allen (TE), TY Hilton (WR), Vick Ballard (RB) Brazil (WR) Some Late Round G that doesn't matter. They also resigned Reggie Wayne.  They started building a young offense right out of the gate.

 

RedSkins: Drafted 2 OG's a Tackle and a Running Back. Resigned Moss, Signed Pierre Garson and I forget what other WR. Again, building up an offense around a young QB.

 

 

That's the difference I am talking about.

[JawnyBlaze]

Last time Brady went down, Matt Cassell went 11-5.

 

Peyton's Bronco team went to the playoffs with The Golden Calf of Bristol at QB the year before...so I would say the Bronco's have a good team around Peyton.

 

In regards to the Broncos, they were in an incredibly bad division.  That's how they got to the playoffs (weren't they like 8-8 or 9-7 with most of their wins coming in the division?)  How they got that win vs the Steelers in the playoffs will forever be one of those headscratching, any given Sunday type things.  If I remember correctly, their offense was NOT good that year.

 

[teeray]

Last time Brady went down, Matt Cassell went 11-5.

Peyton's Bronco team went to the playoffs with The Golden Calf of Bristol at QB the year before...so I would say the Bronco's have a good team around Peyton.

Denvers offense was woeful that year. Matt Cassel year was an anomaly. You can always find exceptions to the rule.

Interesting fun fact about that season in New England.

They were 0-4 in the preseason and never scored more than 17 points. Has nothing tondo with this thread but will be good fodder for the other threads hand wringing about preseason

[Kurb]

Yeah but my point is, if you already have a top 10 offense but a bad defense why would you be focused on your offense.

Not saying we couldn't have done more on offense, we did draft some guys though when are pretty much all off the team or hurt now :(

Two years ago our offense was pretty awesome. We still sucked as a team bc of defense and special teams

 

You focus on the offense b/c you have a Cam Newton behind center. You can not be satisfied with him having to carry almost the entire offensive load on his back from day one. You are can not be oblivious to a 33 year old LT, a 34 year old #1 WR, a 30 yr old starting rb signed until he is 40, an average at best RT, a declining RG and no real level of quality depth behind any of those players.   IMO, the FO was satisfied with all these things so long as the staff got to keep their jobs one more season. 

 

Rivera looked/looks like a rookie HC, that cost us more games than anything else IMO.

[CRA]

In regards to the Broncos, they were in an incredibly bad division.  That's how they got to the playoffs (weren't they like 8-8 or 9-7 with most of their wins coming in the division?)  How they got that win vs the Steelers in the playoffs will forever be one of those headscratching, any given Sunday type things.  If I remember correctly, their offense was NOT good that year.

 

Bad division or not.....that was a good team they had around their QB.  They didn't even have a QB.  There offense wasn't good b/c they didn't have a good QB.  Team surivived b/c they had a good TEAM.

 

We don't have a good and well rounded team.  Take away our QB....we can't get to 8-8 in a bad division.

[FootballMaestro]

The Colts, Redskins, and Seahawks' defenses also didn't cost them a majority of their games. Easy to build around your QB when the rest of the team is doing their job.

Agreed. 

 

However, was that the Panthers defensive players, or coaching scheme, in those critical moments?

[JawnyBlaze]

I argee with several of your points. Paying two starting RB's can never be justified, at least with those Numbers.  A lot of the oline picks were late JAG's. Not trying to be rude, just disagree.

 

 

Compare what the Panthers did for Cam in year 1 to what the Colts/Skins did.

 

Panthers: Resigned 2 RB's, Traded for Olsen, Drafted a WR, Drafted Late Round Nobodies at OL

 

 

Colts: Drafted Fleener (TE), Dwayne Allen (TE), TY Hilton (WR), Vick Ballard (RB) Brazil (WR) Some Late Round G that doesn't matter. They also resigned Reggie Wayne.  They started building a young offense right out of the gate.

 

RedSkins: Drafted 2 OG's a Tackle and a Running Back. Resigned Moss, Signed Pierre Garson and I forget what other WR. Again, building up an offense around a young QB.

 

 

That's the difference I am talking about.

 

Yea, I don't disagree with your disagreements at all.  About the RBs, I'm just saying what I think the thought process was.  Not saying I agree with it (now).  I'll admit I did at the time... And all of the OL but the Amini pick were JAGs.  But JAGs can turn into something too, especially at G.  As we all know, some of the best Gs in the league were later round picks.

 

The Colts and Skins did invest in building around their new QBs more than we did, but to be fair they had considerably further to go to field a respectable offense than we did.  We already had a star WR, two very good RBs, a very good TE and another good TE as well as what should have been at least a good OL.  The Colts had Wayne and nothing else on O.  The Skins had ... some solid pieces on their OL.  That's it.  They HAD to invest more in their offense than we did.

 

It does make me cry a little inside every time I see these TY Hilton highlights and think that we could have had him instead of Joe Adams if we had just traded up a little further.

 

[Mr. Scot]

My honest opinion is that we've had one draft (and even that missing a third rounder) and aren't even all the way out of our first offseason under the new regime just yet.

 

Not a whole lot of point in discussing what was done or the way things were done under Hurney as none of that applies now.

 

It's still a little early to really know how things are going to be handled.

[CRA]

Denvers offense was woeful that year. Matt Cassel year was an anomaly. You can always find exceptions to the rule.

Interesting fun fact about that season in New England.

They were 0-4 in the preseason and never scored more than 17 points. Has nothing tondo with this thread but will be good fodder for the other threads hand wringing about preseason

 

we are talking about a team...not a QB.

 

the reason they went 8-8 depsite having the biggest joke in the world at QB....they had a good football team.  Of course, The Golden Calf of Bristol handicapped their offense. 

 

We don't go 8-8 with The Golden Calf of Bristol...regardless of division.

[FootballMaestro]

Last time Brady went down, Matt Cassell went 11-5.

 

Peyton's Bronco team went to the playoffs with The Golden Calf of Bristol at QB the year before...so I would say the Bronco's have a good team around Peyton.

 

And just think (not calling him a great QB), Robert Griffin III, could potentially lose his job if Kirk Cousins played an entire year, and Alex Smith put up similar numbers to [the now lauded after 8 games] Colin Kaepernick.