Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[panthers55]

No, my point was more in response to the original topic of this thread.

 

When those in the media speaks of Luck's ability to succeed, it's seems the pressure is put more on the team than on him, which would make one see him as qualified to be a Franchise QB. He's getting most of the praises when the team succeeds and barely any criticism when they faulter. I just used that guy from NFLN, comment about Luck not suffering from sophomore slump, as an example of how much they will give Luck endless chances to succeed and become a Franchise QB. Why? Because they have placed the pressure of his success squarely on the shoulders of his team-mates. Where as with Cam, they have placed the pressure of the Panthers success, along with him proving that he deserves to be a starting QB, squarely on his shoulders.

You are right.  I didn't get that from your original post. It does seem that the majority of the credit for the success of the Colts went to Luck when he really wasn't that great statistically. On the other hand Newton did struggle early and I think most folks largely stopped there and didn't see the improvement.  Lazy journalism and the fact we still finished with a losing record.

[mbarbour21]

Ha! i forgot about matt ryan. Maybe because i hate the falcunts....... but that is a great example. they gave him all the tools he needed. and with the 15th and 28th ranking scoring defense they have been to the playoffs in the past 2 years and are favored to win our division( which i think is the toughest division).

whats kind of funny is that every talking about we needed to build up defense, and the last 4 years(except the giants Superbowl) teams have scored 30+ points in each superbowl.

Yeh, but you have to keep in mind, Matt has only won like 1 playoff game since he has been in the league. Yes, he has been to the playoffs all but 1 year, but once there, they hav only won one game.

Defense! Haha!

[Achilles]

Keep in mind though that in Cam's first year the offense was amazingly effective.  The defense was the weakest part of the team, especially the front 7.  So, the FO addressed it.  It took 2 drafts and now the defense is better than the offense.  

 

The biggest issue I see with the offense is that we let Shockey walk without replacing him and basically just stopped running the Coryell 2 TE base.  That was where we had so much success.  This power running base can work if you have a stud O-line, but we don't.  In 2011 decisions were made with the mentality that Cam couldn't do everything all on his own.  Since then, it seems that the attitude is to ask Cam to do it all on his own.  You can see the result.  Why they moved away from what worked in 2011 I don't understand.  This is why Chud got let go and why Shula is not an upgrade.  The read-option plan backfired and now we are back at square one with a very basic game plan.  it is easy for teams to stop our running game on 1st and 2nd down because its so easy to read.

 

I feel like personnel is less important than scheme, except that now we have an O-line with major questions marks.   Gettleman can't fix every hole on this team in 1 offseason.  I feel like the next draft will address these issues.  Also, if things continue with the paltry offense and porous line, we won't make the playoffs and Gettleman bring in his own choice as HC.  

 

 

[jarhead]

Keep in mind though that in Cam's first year the offense was amazingly effective.  The defense was the weakest part of the team, especially the front 7.  So, the FO addressed it.  It took 2 drafts and now the defense is better than the offense.  

 

The biggest issue I see with the offense is that we let Shockey walk without replacing him and basically just stopped running the Coryell 2 TE base.  That was where we had so much success.  This power running base can work if you have a stud O-line, but we don't.  In 2011 decisions were made with the mentality that Cam couldn't do everything all on his own.  Since then, it seems that the attitude is to ask Cam to do it all on his own.  You can see the result.  Why they moved away from what worked in 2011 I don't understand.  This is why Chud got let go and why Shula is not an upgrade.  The read-option plan backfired and now we are back at square one with a very basic game plan.  it is easy for teams to stop our running game on 1st and 2nd down because its so easy to read.

 

I feel like personnel is less important than scheme, except that now we have an O-line with major questions marks.   Gettleman can't fix every hole on this team in 1 offseason.  I feel like the next draft will address these issues.  Also, if things continue with the paltry offense and porous line, we won't make the playoffs and Gettleman bring in his own choice as HC.  

I agree the two TE offense served us well. Well stated.

[FootballMaestro]

I have been saying all summer it is what I like to call the "Lebron James effect."

 

Teammates, coaches, and execs. literally think they don't have to do their jobs because Cam will cover for them. Having elite talent does not give you a license to not get help surrounding that player.

 

Cam Newton needs every bit of help that Matt Ryan needs...but for some reason everyone thinks its okay to go onto 3 years without getting another play maker on offense.

 

The one thing I will say though is that some in the media is at least picking up on the lack of support surrounding him--pointing out that he lead the team in rushing last year.

 

They also need to start talking about, picking up on his Coaching as well. Hopefully, Rivera will be much better in 2013, and Shula will do his job, better than so many here think [think he will], as well?

[LA_Panther]

Bahahah oh my god. 25-30 carries a game? A 25 carry per game back hasn't existed in this league since 2006. I don't even wanna try to go and see how long it's been since a 30 carry per game back has existed in the nfl.

I see. By your own admission you don't wanna do a few clicks to look up simple stats but somehow felt the need to pull the year 2006 out of your a$$. Well played dimwit. The league didn't have a lot of things in 2006 and the vice versa. What's your fuggin point? You are acting like I'm suggesting we put leather helmets ..." Oh my God he said we should have a workhorse RB. This is crazy, he's taking us to the stone age"...lol

[frash.exe]

I see. By your own admission you don't wanna do a few clicks to look up simple stats but somehow felt the need to pull the year 2006 out of your a$$. Well played dimwit. The league didn't have a lot of things in 2006 and the vice versa. What's your fuggin point? You are acting like I'm suggesting we put leather helmets ..." Oh my God he said we should have a workhorse RB. This is crazy, he's taking us to the stone age"...lol

Tell me more about this 25-30 carry per game back that will be nearly impossible to find in today's league and that no other team has but is somehow required for Cam to succeed. What are his measureables?

[LA_Panther]

Tell me more about this 25-30 carry per game back that will be nearly impossible to find in today's league and that no other team has but is somehow required for Cam to succeed. What are his measureables?

OK How about 20-25 carries max? If stew can stay healthy, he can handle that. Several backs in the league are like that like Lynch, michael turner, stephen Jackson etc... I know the league wants to pass pass pass today, but the whole idea is that type of back takes pressure off Cam while he figures it out. Also with the current state of our OL, only a bruiser can get a running game for us. Just my opinion. I'm all about winning and don't care what we need to do.

[frash.exe]

Just a question...

What if Cam doesn't need a feature back? What if he just needs more protection up front?

[Guest HelloWorld]

I have been saying all summer it is what I like to call the "Lebron James effect."

 

Teammates, coaches, and execs. literally think they don't have to do their jobs because Cam will cover for them. Having elite talent does not give you a license to not get help surrounding that player.

 

Cam Newton needs every bit of help that Matt Ryan needs...but for some reason everyone thinks its okay to go onto 3 years without getting another play maker on offense.

 

The one thing I will say though is that some in the media is at least picking up on the lack of support surrounding him--pointing out that he lead the team in rushing last year.

At least there is model to emulate like the 9ers with Kapaernick and hopefully with the attention being given by the media and the fans they'll also follow it. They better not pick up some fugging CB next year in the 1st round.

[CRA]

Just a question...

What if Cam doesn't need a feature back? What if he just needs more protection up front?

There are maybe 4 feature RBs in all the NFL...

He needs a line, receiving targets and a defense. Give him that and a guy like Poole or Smith can ball

[Peppers90 NC]

I'm curious about something, is there any playoff team with a stacked up RB corps? It seems like most team have one very good RB and some backups that no one really knows about. It kind of like the saying 'when you have 2 QB, you have no QB' because only one is on the field at any one time. 

Texans, that's it really currently anyway.

[Guest HelloWorld]

Texans, that's it really currently anyway.

Thanks. Proves the stupidity of the panthers organization. instead of diversifying the WR corps where sometimes 4 can be on the field at one time they instead diversify the RB where only one can touch the ball at one time.

[BlackCnqstdr]

I'm not trying to attack anybody but I honestly don't see where people are coming from when they say Cam has a good supporting cast or the Panthers have enough talent on offense.  Everyone knows the Oline is bad so no need to waste time there but when I ask myself "who would you rather have?" at RB and WR/TE the lists are long.

 

At RB (not in order): WAS, PHI, MIN, CHI, ATL, TB, SF, SEA, NE, BUF, HOU, TEN, JAX, BAL, CLE, and KC.  

 

At WR/TE: NYG, DAL, PHI (with Maclin), DET, GB, CHI, ATL, TB, NO, SEA (with Harvin), SF (with Crabtree), ARI, NE, HOU, IND, JAX, CIN, DEN

 

Those are the teams I think are clearly better at those spots not taking into account teams that are debatable or teams with rookies/first year starters playing prominent roles.  What is it I'm not seeing in Carolina?