Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[TheRumGone]

Crawl out from Cam's ass and stop blaming the whole ofense for all of Cam's shortcomings.

 

 

I agree. He's only throwing for 4k yards a season and is really dragging this team down. Plus Andrew Luck doesn't wear a towel on his head!

 

Guess whos second year this is:

 

526 Att 320 Comp 60.8 Pct 3,284 Yds 17 TD 16 Int

 

And this:

 

485 Att 280 Comp 57.7 Pct 3,869 Yds 19 TD 12 Int

 

One of these two players also had obscene rushing numbers/TDs.  The other is Drew Brees.

 this really says it all

[frash.exe]

What will help Cam is a 25-30 carry/game durable bruiser RB that can get 3, 4 and 5 yards on tap. Since about 2 years ago, my wish has always been to use Stew as a feature back and trade DeAngelo, but Stew can't stay on the field. Because of that reason, I think we need to trade Stew while we still can. If we were to do it the other way, I just don't see d-will as a workhorse type of back. If we need Williams to carry the ball 25-30 times a game, he needs to have a monster oline in front of him like 2008 and 2009. Our current O-line may get someone killed and go to jail soon :-) I think locking up two RBs two large contracts was a big mistake. We now need to do make a decision with our expensive backfield that produced only for 2 seasons. I think we need a bruiser that doesn't need a good line to average 4 yards/carry. Then sit back and watch Cam take over the league

I also think we should have Kept Shockey. He was such a safetynet for Cam and would have helped more in Cam's development.

As far as O-line...I think everything that needed to be said has been said

Bahahah oh my god. 25-30 carries a game? A 25 carry per game back hasn't existed in this league since 2006. I don't even wanna try to go and see how long it's been since a 30 carry per game back has existed in the nfl.

[bleys]

WTF are you talking about. It's pretty clear you are troll because I'm asking you to prove your evidence that's it's all cam's fault with actual data but you won't do it. GTFOH

 

 

 

high 90s what? completion percentage?  you must be a troll. do you have any stats to back this up or anything? or just generic statements that cant be proven like "that just what i saw"

 

 

what sense does it make to rationalize with someone who you deem irrational? 

[Guest HelloWorld]

Offensive stats being driven by the QB position is true for about 95% of the football world.  Consider that the teams that were 1,2, and 3 in TDs per drive were QBed by Brady, Brees, and Peyton Manning in that order.

 

We have good offensive skill players.  We do need O-line help.  That will go a long ways to helping D-Will and Co.

 

We can always get better, but our defense needed more help than our offense, which is why we have focused on drafting for defense these last couple of drafts.

I think you know what he means. I don't remember any of those guys have running back-like rushing numbers like Cam. All QBs throw football(Cam do that too). WRs catch footballs too. Doesn't mean the team is on their back. All those QBs you mentioned have great OL.

[Guest HelloWorld]

I'm curious about something, is there any playoff team with a stacked up RB corps? It seems like most team have one very good RB and some backups that no one really knows about. It kind of like the saying 'when you have 2 QB, you have no QB' because only one is on the field at any one time. 

[Guest HelloWorld]

I think dynamic players like Cam are their own worse enemy. Because he is able to literally put his team on his back and win by both rushing and passing, teams tend to feel content about the offensive side of the ball. Those teams tend to over-perform, as a result the defensive side of the football become more of a focus in the draft. Kind of remind me of McNabb spending almost his entire career throwing to a guy name pinkston(who? exactly) while making the playoffs almost every year.

[panthers55]

Clearly, u missed the point of my post. But that's okay. :)

If the point was that Indy has more weapons around Luck on offense I disagree. If it that Luck won't have a sophomore slump then I saw wait and see.  So no I didn't miss the point, I don't agree. If our defense played like theirs did and we had their schedule last year, we would have been 10-6 and much of the criticism of Newton and the Panthers would be gone.  Luck benefitted from an opportunistic defense and an easy schedule.  It wasn't he played better or had more weapons.

[Kakarot]

Haven't made it past page 3 yet, but I got to give Kurb props on his posts.  Spot on with them.

[mcdougal]

I agree with the OP to an extent. If the Panthers do not go anywhere this year it is not because of Newton. If you are not going to build around him and instead build a great defense....then do not expect the offense to be great.

 

I expect our defense to lead us to the promise land. I think they are up to the challege.

[mcdougal]

I think dynamic players like Cam are their own worse enemy. Because he is able to literally put his team on his back and win by both rushing and passing, teams tend to feel content about the offensive side of the ball. Those teams tend to over-perform, as a result the defensive side of the football become more of a focus in the draft. Kind of remind me of McNabb spending almost his entire career throwing to a guy name pinkston(who? exactly) while making the playoffs almost every year.

 

I have been saying all summer it is what I like to call the "Lebron James effect."

 

Teammates, coaches, and execs. literally think they don't have to do their jobs because Cam will cover for them. Having elite talent does not give you a license to not get help surrounding that player.

 

Cam Newton needs every bit of help that Matt Ryan needs...but for some reason everyone thinks its okay to go onto 3 years without getting another play maker on offense.

 

The one thing I will say though is that some in the media is at least picking up on the lack of support surrounding him--pointing out that he lead the team in rushing last year.

[Guest hokebuck1]

The Colts, Redskins, and Seahawks' defenses also didn't cost them a majority of their games. Easy to build around your QB when the rest of the team is doing their job.

 

Seattle defense cost them 6 games!  :)

[rayzor]

Seattle defense cost them 6 games!  :)

 

and they would have cost them another had the replacement refs not screwed up.

 

[KillerKat]

Haven't made it past page 3 yet, but I got to give Kurb props on his posts.  Spot on with them.

Kurb is usually right

[footballisasport]

If the point was that Indy has more weapons around Luck on offense I disagree. If it that Luck won't have a sophomore slump then I saw wait and see.  So no I didn't miss the point, I don't agree. If our defense played like theirs did and we had their schedule last year, we would have been 10-6 and much of the criticism of Newton and the Panthers would be gone.  Luck benefitted from an opportunistic defense and an easy schedule.  It wasn't he played better or had more weapons.

 

No, my point was more in response to the original topic of this thread.

 

When those in the media speaks of Luck's ability to succeed, it's seems the pressure is put more on the team than on him, which would make one see him as qualified to be a Franchise QB. He's getting most of the praises when the team succeeds and barely any criticism when they faulter. I just used that guy from NFLN, comment about Luck not suffering from sophomore slump, as an example of how much they will give Luck endless chances to succeed and become a Franchise QB. How? By placing the pressure of his success squarely on the shoulders of his team-mates and not so much on him. Where as with Cam, they have placed the pressure of the Panthers success, along with him proving that he deserves to be a starting QB, squarely on his shoulders.