Handling of a Franchise Quarterback

[carolinanimal]

Great thread.

 

I agree they could have done more yet we had the #1 pick because we had a LOT of holes. So I cannot really blame the team for the direction they went. Ultimately they picked the players they thought would best help the team. 

 

On the flip side the team I have seen do the MOST to help their young QB was the Falcons with Ryan. They went all in on helping him - yet Im sure they could argue that they would have been fine with White, Turner and Gonzo and could really have used the Julio picks on other positions...

 

Ha! i forgot about matt ryan. Maybe because i hate the falcunts....... but that is a great example. they gave him all the tools he needed. and with the 15th and 28th ranking scoring defense they have been to the playoffs in the past 2 years and are favored to win our division( which i think is the toughest division). 

whats kind of funny is that every talking about we needed to build up defense, and the last 4 years(except the giants Superbowl) teams have scored 30+ points in each superbowl. 

[CRA]

I know a lot has been done to improve this team.

I may not agree with everything that's been done, but no one will ever agree on that.

Can't fix everything.

I'm glad the defense has finially been addressed.

All the offense in the world can't help when facing another high powered offense.

Defense hasn't been fixed....DT was addressed. When we aren't playing a vertical passing team like Baltimore the gigantic hole that is our secondary will show much more.

[carolinanimal]

the Baltimore's don't scare me against our D....the Patriot type offenses do.

 

this is what i am afraid of too. 3 step drops and hurry ups will be on the game plan against our d.   

[panthers55]

Those guys were drafted for Jimmy how sad when you think about it. We haven't drafted poo for Cam except....

 

Joe Adams waived/ir

Amini-D2 lt turned guard who has been awful

Kug-well don't get me started.

 

everything we've drafted has been so Rivera can try to build his super defense that hasn't been so super.

We didn't draft more receivers for Cam because we already had them on our roster so we added 2 first round TEs.  Look at my post, since 2010 we have drafted as many offensive players as defensive ones .  If you add we added more free agents on the offense than defense and had more veterans already, the whole we haven't done anything for Newton doesn't hold water based on the facts not opinion.  

[panthers55]

Cam took a hit on 25% of his drop backs last year, more than any other quarterback. One way to handle your franchise qb is protect him and give him time. Not at all something happening here.

He also held the ball longer than any other quarterback in the league as well.

[panthers55]

we may not have been horrible. but we would have been mediocre at best at running the ball. also those team ran some read option as well. they ran the ball to protect their qbs. 

I won'r defend Chud's decisions because I didn't always agree with him and how he used the running game,

[carolinanimal]

We didn't draft more receivers for Cam because we already had them on our roster so we added 2 first round TEs.  Look at my post, since 2010 we have drafted as many offensive players as defensive ones .  If you add we added more free agents on the offense than defense and had more veterans already, the whole we haven't done anything for Newton doesn't hold water based on the facts not opinion.  

 

what happened to our 2te system anyway? it worked awesome that first year then we decided to go away from it. 

[rayzor]

Offense sells tickets.

 

Defense wins games.

offense wins games.

 

defense keeps you from losing them.

you have to get on the board more than the other team is able to keep up with. the goal of the defense is to slow up the other team's offense just enough that your defense can get/keep ahead.

 

of course it helps if your coach doesn't give the other team the ball with a couple minutes left and invites them to score.

[panthers55]

You are going back in time....before Cam.

As for Smith should be #2. He was even saying he was ready pre Cam.

All I am saying is we are going down a unique road....we aren't drafting weapons that fit his talent for him to grow with. 3 years in, it makes our handling of him unique.

I mean you are countering we aren't building around Cam....by bringing up RBs drafted in Fox years...Cam was just entering high school as far back as you are going

If we had no one on the team before Cam got here then it might be okay to look at what we did only since then but it isn't.  If you have a number 1 receiver already you don't act like he doesn't exist and there is less pressure to draft one.

The point is that when Cam got here he already had plenty of weapons and we added more. What year they were added is irrelevant.

[panthers55]

what happened to our 2te system anyway? it worked awesome that first year then we decided to go away from it. 

I think they felt that Barnidge would develop but he didn't.  Then we decided to use Tolbert in the role of fullback/receiver out of the backfield.  I wish we would go back to  2 TEs especially if we are going to run more power running.  22 personnel gives you way more options than 12 personnel.  The only saving grace is that Tolbert is not your normal fullback.

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

the Baltimore's don't scare me against our D....the Patriot type offenses do.

 

True. 

 

Although one quick point to validate my claim, NYG would not have won those SB's if they didn't display that caliber of defensive-prowess. People point to Eli's amazing 4th qtr plays (Tyree and Manningham catches), but the defense won those games. With Getts at the helm, and Keek able to roam, dare I say our D will overshadow Cam during his tenure?

 

Anywho, nuff said about that. I'm just one of the few in this era who enjoys watching defense more than offense.  

[carolinanimal]

i kind of wish we took the atlanta approach. high level guard or tackle same year he was drafted and then later 1st round wr. we drafted after him like this was the old 2008 offense. 

[CRA]

We didn't draft more receivers for Cam because we already had them on our roster so we added 2 first round TEs. Look at my post, since 2010 we have drafted as many offensive players as defensive ones . If you add we added more free agents on the offense than defense and had more veterans already, the whole we haven't done anything for Newton doesn't hold water based on the facts not opinion.

2 first round TEs?

Renting an old Shockey for a year is a building around Cam? Double Trouble you mentioned earlier?

We are simply talking about different things...you are just looking at who the bodies are in a given year on a field....

Others are talking about investing in young talent to grow with a QB and to build something that last more than a season

[panthers55]

The Saints alone give Double Trouble almost a full yard increase on their ypc average...

They were middle of the road at best last year

And you can go back and look at a running backs best 2 games and it changes the numbers.  Statistically it is not appropriately to do that so stop bringing it up as if it is a valid point.  

 

On another aside, you act like everyone got tons of yards against New Orleans but they didn't. How many 200 yard rushers did the Saints give up on defense?  2   Jamal Charles and DeAngelo Williams.  How many did Alfred get?  96.  How many did Sean McCoy get?  119.  How many did Frank Gore get?  83 And the list goes on.  You can't fault the fact that Williams is a beast against new Orleans or just negate his success especially when not every back had the same success.