Rivera says we are done signing linemen.

[jarhead]

so you are saying that you don't think our QB and RB's would be successful in a traditional NFL Offense?

 

lol

 

No that is not what I said. What I said is that there are schemes that play to the strengths of our qb and rbs given the skill set of our OL and FB which quite frankly suck for the offense Shula has shown so far. Have you seen any holes yet that a rb can be successful running through? You sound like my wife.

[panthers55]

We were a losing team those years due largely to the o-line sucking. We're supposed to sit back and relax as the team does the same thing, but expects different results?

We scored enough points to win in most of those games. It was giving up big plays late by the defense that lost it for us.  We were not blown out in very many games.

[panthers55]

Okay, so you think a lameduck, hot seat, or a coach with a totally secure job has zero impact on how a GM operates....I think all that impacts a

GM and is proven based on the actions of GMs all over the league including our franchise. We disagree. It's cool.

You are using a lame duck reference incorrectly.  Fox was a lame duck because he was on the last year of his contract and was not going to come back no matter what.  Rivera is signed through 2014 and by all accounts is liked by Richardson and Gettleman.  Obviously he has to win but what coach save a dozen are not in the same boat.

 

And no I don't  think the coaches status dictates how the GM builds the team.  He is building it the way he wants and expects the coach to follow suit.  It is more likely that  Rivera is doing what the GM wants done not the other way around.  You have it backwards. Rivera works for Gettleman not the other way around.

[CRA]

You are using a lame duck reference incorrectly. Fox was a lame duck because he was on the last year of his contract and was not going to come back no matter what. Rivera is signed through 2014 and by all accounts is liked by Richardson and Gettleman. Obviously he has to win but what coach save a dozen are not in the same boat.

And no I don't think the coaches status dictates how the GM builds the team. He is building it the way he wants and expects the coach to follow suit. It is more likely that Rivera is doing what the GM wants done not the other way around. You have it backwards. Rivera works for Gettleman not the other way around.

I used it correctly...didn't refer to RR as a lameduck....he was the hotseat coach. I gave 3 different examples of types of coaches a GM could have....all impact the FO in various ways IMO.

and it is an awkward marriage IMO....and JR is at fault for making so many of those in such a small window.

By all accounts, Richardson made a big production of not firing Rivera after last season....that is not he sign of JR being happy. Nor were the reports if true he wasnt really about him to begin with

[panthers55]

I used it correctly...didn't refer to RR as a lameduck....he was the hotseat coach. I gave 3 different examples of types of coaches a GM could have....all impact the FO in various ways IMO.

and it is an awkward marriage IMO....and JR is at fault for making so many of those in such a small window.

By all accounts, Richardson made a big production of not firing Rivera after last season....that is not he sign of JR being happy. Nor were the reports if true he wasnt really about him to begin with

You have no idea what the relationship is between RIvera, Richardson or Gettleman except what has been stated which is they have a good relationship. You also don't know if Accorsi who was helping JR make the GM decision and was good friends with Gettleman discussed Rivera with Gettleman and got approval as part of the hiring process.  He didn't make a big deal of not firing him.  He likely was waiting to take to all the parties involved and get feedback before making a decision.   Again with the negative assumptions which is where you always go.  I had hope as a mod you might modify your approach a  bit. 

[CRA]

You have no idea what the relationship is between RIvera, Richardson or Gettleman except what has been stated which is they have a good relationship. You also don't know if Accorsi who was helping JR make the GM decision and was good friends with Gettleman discussed Rivera with Gettleman and got approval as part of the hiring process. He didn't make a big deal of not firing him. He likely was waiting to take to all the parties involved and get feedback before making a decision. Again with the negative assumptions which is where you always go. I had hope as a mod you might modify your approach a bit.

Again, I know for a fact Jerry Richardson made a big production of not firing Ron Rivera and made him sweat it out. You can easily find 50 articles addressing it...

And yes, considering Rivera was in the middle if his contract and JR played that game.....he made a big deal of it.

Acknowledging the reality of that isn't being negative.

Again, we disagree. I can handle that. We look at things different.

[panthers55]

Again, I know for a fact Jerry Richardson made a big production of not firing Ron Rivera and made him sweat it out. You can easily find 50 articles addressing it...

And yes, considering Rivera was in the middle if his contract and JR played that game.....he made a big deal of it.

Acknowledging the reality of that isn't being negative.

Again, we disagree. I can handle that. We look at things different.

I know for a fact that the newspapers made a big deal about it.  Did Richardson say anything in an interview??  No. Did he make any public statements at the time except when he made his decision?  All he said was that things needed to improve.  Wow, that sure was a big deal. If this had been Jerry Jones it would have been a big deal.  Richardson is low key with the media and always has been.

 

Your reality is negative.  Not something we share at all, thank goodness.

[OneBadCat]

RR is the 180 version of John Fox as far as talking to the press. Fox said nothing. I believe Rivera says too much. He needs to dial it back a little.

 

I think Rivera is about as bad as Fox. He says a bunch of BS that doesn't mean anything. He's basically saying it is what it is with a bunch of different words. He doesn't really say anything that insightful.

[wine-o and cheese-doodle]

I know G-man is the final word on personnel but that relationship has to be as mutual agreement between equals or it just would not work...If they worked aganst each other they both should be fired.

[jarhead]

It doesn't mean a thing. 

 

Number 1 we do not know who will even be available until final cuts. Teams are always looking to upgrade at the right price. Number 2 ...he is not going to come out to the media and say that we are looking for A RT to replace Bell.

 

I would not read one thing into this

[Anybodyhome]

I don't believe for a second RR and Gettleman are on the same page nor do I believe they have a very good professional relationship. I think Gettleman got saddled with Rivera at Jerry Richardson's insistence and until he (Gettleman) can put his own head coach on the field and there is a true, collaborative effort with respect to personnel, we have to endure another season of the front office effecting the team on the field.

 

[panthers55]

I don't believe for a second RR and Gettleman are on the same page nor do I believe they have a very good professional relationship. I think Gettleman got saddled with Rivera at Jerry Richardson's insistence and until he (Gettleman) can put his own head coach on the field and there is a true, collaborative effort with respect to personnel, we have to endure another season of the front office effecting the team on the field.

And you know this because you are Kreskin or some other soothsayer?  You have an inside source or Gettleman is your neighbor.  Or like with other conspiracy theorists you made it up in your own head so it must be true......

[Anybodyhome]

And you know this because you are Kreskin or some other soothsayer?  You have an inside source or Gettleman is your neighbor.  Or like with other conspiracy theorists you made it up in your own head so it must be true......

 

My opinion, wtf.....

 

Is this forum not allowing opinions anymore? Seriously?

[panthers55]

My opinion, wtf.....

 

Is this forum not allowing opinions anymore? Seriously?

Sure but most credible posters have a shred of evidence to support their point. What is yours other than your opinion with nothing to base it on?