Cam and his accuracy issues.

[carolina-chuck]

Perhaps you could have a conversation with someome that disagreed with you if you didn't immediately resort to calling them "nut huggers", or going off on wild tangents out of the blue because someone mentioned Cam.

Quite the internet tough guy you are, Chuck.

 

Quite the high school kid you are, asshole.

[TheRed]

Quite the high school kid you are, asshole.

Hey, about those insults you accused others of..... Yeah.

[tiger7_88]

I really don't know how you guys can watch Cam and tell yourself that he has no problem with his accuracy. I really need whatever drugs y'all using.

 

 

The most notable ability of the Common Cam Nut Basher is his incredible ability to hunt and kill straw men.

[chubs2496]

Perhaps you could have a conversation with someone that disagreed with you if you didn't immediately resort to calling them "nut huggers", or going off on wild tangents out of the blue because someone mentioned Cam.

Quite the internet tough guy you are, Chuck.

I call them how I see them. Me and u have gotten out on the wrong foot. And your ego( and mine) Have gotten in the way. I like cam. U like cam. We are both panthers fans. But I am not content with cam and how he plays of now. That's all I have said from the beginning. I want the man to improve. And yes I get tired of seeing 50 cam threads or a thread about Luke being hijacked and converted to a cam controversy.

[chubs2496]

The most notable ability of the Common Cam Nut Basher is his incredible ability to hunt and kill straw men.

Please find a hobby

[teeray]

I'm not even going to include the guys like Brady, Manning, and Brees. I'm comparing him to the young QBs like Luck, RG3, Kaep, and Wilson. You dont see those guys sailing passes and missing open receivers on a consistent basis.

Yes I do. One of Russell's pick the other night was a big overthrow. Luck misses guys down field consistently which had just as much to do with his comp% as did drops or o-line issues. The fact that Luck struggled so much is why they changed their offense going into this season to more of a west coast style rather than vertical passing. RG3 rarely threw more than 10 yards from LOS unless they were taking a shot down field. When he did he missed often.

It all comes down to your definition of accuracy. If by accuracy you mean never missing a throw then yeah I guess he has accuracy problems. But by that measure so does every NFL QB that has ever played.

[TheRed]

I call them how I see them. Me and u have gotten out on the wrong foot. And your ego( and mine) Have gotten in the way. I like cam. U like cam. We are both panthers fans. But I am not content with cam and how he plays of now. That's all I have said from the beginning. I want the man to improve. And yes I get tired of seeing 50 cam threads or a thread about Luke being hijacked and converted to a cam controversy.

I have no issue with you, other than the fact that we haven't seen eye to eye.

Chuck, I just can't talk to that guy. He is intelligent, just extremely stubborn. Anyways...

I'm not content with Cam. Neither is he, the guy is a competitor, plain and simple. He is going to need to continue to develop, and I have no reason to believe he won't. We definitely need better play from our o line though.

As for Cam threads, they will always be large in numbers. He's our franchise quarterback.

Luke threads will likely be skyrocketing in numbers this season too, the guy is a monster.

[Lumps]

lol guys teeray would defend Cam if he raped babies.

 

Come on guys recognize these kinds of posters and ignore them.

 

Cam is still quite raw and not really all that accurate and everyone knew he was going to take time to develop. He is in his third year and yes there are plenty of younger QBs who are more accurate and polished. The problem is everyone is forgetting about him being a project, spending only one year in college because o the outstanding seasons he has had. Everyone is forgetting he was taken so high because of his cieling not because of his abilities. That is the problem. He is still learning to pass and will be doing so longer than other QBs. He was a runner in college, for one year, he will take more time to learn to pass in the NFL....naturally. There are plenty of examples of QBs picked in the first round who have progressed much quicker, only the nieve think otherwise. Cam was number one overall also which doesn't help.

 

I think Cam's passing game will take a couple more years to be effective enough, he is still missing easy passes and overthrowing in an almost identical fashion as his rookie year. Think about that. It will just take time. I will agree with teeray that this shitfest called our oline doesn't help his progression one bit.

[rayzor]

Quite the high school kid you are, asshole.

 

hey, "chuck".....last warning. one more insult and i pop my banhammer cherry on you. understood?

 

for those others dumb enough to get sucked into a pissing match with him or draw him into one further gets won't be getting off free either. it takes two (or more) to tango. quit dancing with him.

[IGSaint]

lol guys teeray would defend Cam if he raped babies.

 

Come on guys recognize these kinds of posters and ignore them.

 

Cam is still quite raw and not really all that accurate and everyone knew he was going to take time to develop. He is in his third year and yes there are plenty of younger QBs who are more accurate and polished. The problem is everyone is forgetting about him being a project, spending only one year in college because o the outstanding seasons he has had. Everyone is forgetting he was taken so high because of his cieling not because of his abilities. That is the problem. He is still learning to pass and will be doing so longer than other QBs. He was a runner in college, for one year, he will take more time to learn to pass in the NFL....naturally. There are plenty of examples of QBs picked in the first round who have progressed much quicker, only the nieve think otherwise. Cam was number one overall also which doesn't help.

 

I think Cam's passing game will take a couple more years to be effective enough, he is still missing easy passes and overthrowing in an almost identical fashion as his rookie year. Think about that. It will just take time. I will agree with teeray that this shitfest called our oline doesn't help his progression one bit.

 

 

Teeray giving a even keeled observation of qb accuracy means that he will defend cam if he raped babies? Jesus this is what is wrong with this forum and this fan base. You want to be hyperbolic with everything and other responders want to be even keeled and realize that every qb has their struggle. Wilsons, kaeps, lucks, aren't free from qb decsion making and accuracy problems either.

[TheRed]

lol guys teeray would defend Cam if he raped babies.

Dude....

[MadHatter]

This thread is a prime example of how The Huddle has regressed.

Any thread just turns into a pissing match among children.

Sad really.

Bottom line is that Cam is and always will be a big armed gunslinger type of QB. He will never be the surgeon QB like Brady or Manning. He will be the Favre type of QB...one that will wow you on some plays and frustrate you on others.

[FootballMaestro]

lol guys teeray would defend Cam if he raped babies.

 

Come on guys recognize these kinds of posters and ignore them.

 

Cam is still quite raw and not really all that accurate and everyone knew he was going to take time to develop. He is in his third year and yes there are plenty of younger QBs who are more accurate and polished. The problem is everyone is forgetting about him being a project, spending only one year in college because o the outstanding seasons he has had. Everyone is forgetting he was taken so high because of his cieling not because of his abilities. That is the problem. He is still learning to pass and will be doing so longer than other QBs. He was a runner in college, for one year, he will take more time to learn to pass in the NFL....naturally. There are plenty of examples of QBs picked in the first round who have progressed much quicker, only the nieve think otherwise. Cam was number one overall also which doesn't help.

 

I think Cam's passing game will take a couple more years to be effective enough, he is still missing easy passes and overthrowing in an almost identical fashion as his rookie year. Think about that. It will just take time. I will agree with teeray that this shitfest called our oline doesn't help his progression one bit.

 

Quite frankly. I think you're uninformed, and working off outdated/unfounded suppositions. 

 

You're basing your entire premise on WHAT YOU THINK CAM WAS (based off of incorrect assumptions by uninformed media) than WHAT HE ACTUALLY IS! 

 

The Panthers weren't the only team that thought Cam would be a number one pick, and that he was much more polished than most of the people that never saw him were babbling on about.

 

Trust me when I tell you, all the top drafting teams, including Buffalo would have drafted Cam number one. The Film proved the type of passer he was in college. His coaches from high school to College, corroborated his worth ethic, leadership and likability. This was further corroborated by several thorough independent scouting reports, and passing GM comments. NFL executives knew this. Unfortunately, broadcast media did not (or care to report it). 

 

More importantly, his play in the NFL has been much more impressive (in my opinion) that all the other Rookie QB's for many reasons. I don't think RG3 and Kaepernick are polished at all the way Cam is. They just play in offenses where they don't have to make patient decisions, so are engineered to throw to spots on timing, and heavily rely on their running game. The responsibility doesn't fall upon them the way it does with Cam. When these guys have to work out of a conventional pocket, they get happy feet.  With Luck, we already know he's not terribly accurate, which is why his coaches want to rely more on the run game this year, and shorten his passes. In fairness, Luck plays in an offense, and situation closest to Cam (#1 pick, ok running game, conventional offense/drop back QB who can scramble), where more is asked of him.  And it's funny you mentioned "progressions", cause neither RG3 or Kaepernick really go through any "progressions". Like I said: Those guys just throw to spots on the field, or terribly wide open receivers (especially RG3), against completely fooled defenses. Put any of those guys on the Panthers the past two years, and let's see how "polished" they really are in comparison to Newton?

 

It's one thing to say Cam is not the most accurate QB in the NFL. Okay, fine. But would you say that about Luck, who's much more inaccurate (and doesn't throw down field as far, as often as Newton last year)? More importantly, that doesn't make him the worst, or an unpolished passer (especially relative to his experience), when those other QB's have better run games and coaches to rely on. They also play in different style offenses, and aren't ask to do as much for their teams as Cam. This means, they don't carry the individual pressure Cam does (even Luck), and the fortunes of an entire city either. Remember, most of them were good teams, have good coaches, or a history of winning. Not in Carolina. Cam's gotta fight against/carry a bad team that drafted him, a self admitted neophyte coach, and a City with no history of sports success, constantly fearing doom and gloom's around the corner, while picking apart or celebrating his every move. 

 

Even Wilson, was spoon fed early in the season until he developed/got comfortable later in the year. Before the Redskins started winning, many Skins fans, complained Griffin was running a high school offense that was stunting his growth. Kaepernick, wasn't even good enough/ready to start over career bust (who put up similar numbers to "Kaep" by the way), Alex Smith for a year in a half. On the contrary, Cam walked into the league already performing in a conventional offense. So quite frankly, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, with all this "Project" talk. Do you not have eyes (or just your suppositions)?

[AceBoogie]

Quite frankly. I think you're uninformed, and working off outdated/unfounded suppositions.

You're basing your entire premise on WHAT YOU THINK CAM WAS (based off of incorrect assumptions by uninformed media) that what he actually is.

The Panthers weren't the only team that thought Cam would be a number one pick, and much more polished than most of the people that never saw him were babbling.

Trust me when I tell you, all the top drafting teams, including Buffalo would have drafted Cam number one. The Film proved the type of passer he was in college. His coaches from high school to College, corroborated his worth ethic, leadership and likability. This was corroborated by several independent scouting reports, and passing GM comments. NFL executives knew this. Unfortunately, broadcast media did not (or care to report it).

More importantly, his play in the NFL has been much more impressive (in my opinion) that all the other Rookie QB's for many reasons. I don't think RG3, and Kaepernick are polished at all the way Cam is. They just play in offenses, where they don't have to make patient decisions, and are engineered to throw to spots on timing, and rely on their running game. The responsibility, doesn't fall upon them, the way it does with Cam. When these guys have to work out of a conventional pocket, they can't happy feet. With Luck, we already know he's not terribly accurate, which is why his coaches want to rely more on the run game this year, and shorten his passes. Quite frankly, I don't know what you're watching/saying.

Put any of those guys, on the Panthers the past two year, and let's see how "polished" they really are in comparison to Newton.

It's one thing to say Cam is not the most accurate QB in the NFL. Okay, fine. But would you say that about Luck, who's much more inaccurate (and doesn't throw down field as far, as often as Newton last year)? More importantly, that doesn't make him the worst, or unpolished (especially relative to his experience), especially when those other QB's have better run games, and coaches to rely on. They also play in different style offenses, and aren't ask to do as much for their teams as Cam.

Even Wilson, was spoon fed early in the season, until he developed/got comfortable later in the year. Before the Redskins started winning, many Skins fans, complained Griffin was running a high school offense, that was stunting his growth. On the contrary, Cam walked into the league already ready/performing. So quite frankly, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, with all this "Project" talk. Do you not have eyes (or just your suppositions)?

One post to end them all. Well said