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Hardy wants to get paid.

micnificent28

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Talking about Cam is off topic, but let me say this.  Anyone thinking Cam is going to get a hundred million dollar contract next year or soon afterward with the current resume he has, is fanatical.  For what has been accomplished so far, it would be lenient to give Cam the same contract Drew Brees got when he first came to New Orleans.  A 6 year 60 million dollar deal.  In order to get into the 100 million dollar club, you have to win at least one superbowl.

 

 

With all that said, if Cam has a sub-par year and we go 8-8, I would consider trading Cam next year if I believe I had the opportunity to get a more capable QB.  I love Cam, I'm on record of saying he has the ability of being a surgeon of a QB.  Yet I'm not going to wait 10 years into his career before he becomes one of the best QBs in the league.  Everyone remember Vick's season his first year as starter of the Eagles. (It was either 2010-2011)  Vick had his best year as a QB, and after that Redskins game where he had a perfect game, I said at that point he was the best QB. (Of course he tailed off that year)  The thing is, even if he continued to play like that from then to now, it took him almost 10 years to reach that point.  My fear concerning Cam when we drafted him, was how long it would take him to be a great QB.  I'm not willing to wait that long.

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problem with that logic is Hardy straight up said he isn't worried about money and told fans not to worry that it'll get worked out...  so if you don't believe Hardy then it's hard to believe Cam since all we see are interviews from guys only telling you what you want to hear..

 

and "I can't do this by myself" doesn't necessarily mean he's talking about why he can't leave the Panthers.  Lebron and Dwight Howard come to mind.  That happens too.  "I can't do this by myself" can easily turn into "I need you guys to get your poo together, get me help."

 

Now I think both have different traits that will keep them here and doubt they will leave.  All we can do is see what's being said when that time comes, but at the same time predicting what an athlete could do from interviews is speculative at best.  

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen to any athlete if they stop buying into the system.

 

those comments were directed towards zod claiming he would be comfortable going to Oakland even without the proper pieces over there.

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Cam is good friends with Jordan. Jordan knows your money is in endorsements not your contract. Cams contract won't be as bad as people think. Will he get paid? Yea but its not going to be record breaking. His money is in his endorsements and endorsements comes with winning. Winning comes with having a team around you.

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It's gonna be an unpopular opinion, but if he demands even a little bit too much money, we should let him walk. In my opinion, Rivera made Hardy. He was a complete headcase, low motor player when he was drafted, and made no signs of improvement before Rivera got a hold of him. I think he would fail on the Raiders, big time, meanwhile we would have no problem filling the hole he leaves with Rivera and Eric Washington's next pass rusher.

well, he played only one year under Fox, coming off the bench.  it isn't  fair to assume Rivera made Hardy.

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I don't see how Cam's contract is even on anyone's mind.  He's got another couple of years to show what he deserves to get paid.  

 

But if Hardy has another good year we simply can't afford to pay him.  Screw paying someone just because they deserve it, you have to build a team.  

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lol. if you think he'd even entertain going to oakland

 

flip it over what have we done for luke this offseason? gave him weapons to succeed by drafting big body DT's and surrounding him with talent and look what that did for him.

 

now we have a player of his caliber on the other side of the ball. but he hasn't been given the tools to succeed. Why can't we have what SF has? both offense and defense? you pay your stars and surround them

The reality is back in 2010 (yea... that year....) we had gaping holes across the board.  An Ugly WR scenario, an aging oline with only 2 long term pieces, complete jokes at DT, 1 good pass rusher, jimmy clausen at quarterback and a secondary in the same boat as the oline.  Addressing ALL of that in such a short timespan just isn't realistic, especially given our cap scenario.

 

I think our hope for this year is to have a vicious turnover inducing defense and ride whatever raw talent we can get out of Cam while he gets pummeled to oblivion.  If everything falls flat you can be darn sure we'll be drafting olinemen like crazy next year.

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those comments were directed towards zod claiming he would be comfortable going to Oakland even without the proper pieces over there.

 

 

ooooh, I see.  

 

 

 

Cam is good friends with Jordan. Jordan knows your money is in endorsements not your contract. Cams contract won't be as bad as people think. Will he get paid? Yea but its not going to be record breaking. His money is in his endorsements and endorsements comes with winning. Winning comes with having a team around you.

 

I hope that is the case..  it's just so rare.

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Trade Hardy now and get something out of him IF, and only IF, you think you can get something that will help us THIS YEAR! A good, solid, starting not a backup OL and picks. Otherwise, keep him and try to win a superbowl. Besides, if he is playin for a big contract next year, he will be playing lights out! Then next year we can start Alexander.

So in short, keep him, unless you can get a solid starting OL, other solid player, or high quality pick PERIOD

 

Hardy for Jahri Evans and a 3rd.

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Why do we worry about future contracts so much here?  It' can be done if you structure the contract right for everyone to get fairly paid.  DE franchise tag money for 2014 is 10 mill.  We can sign hardy to a close to CJ contract for a little bit over that and even though next year we take a bigger hit, over the life of the contract the numbers will drop significantly.   By the time Cam's contract is up the big inital hit on Hardy's contract is off the books, Beason off the books, Williams and Stewart off the books, Gross probably retired by then, Smitty probably off the books or restructured, Godfrey off the books, Last year of TD's deal... etc.   We can give Cam a Flacco contract and there will be 0 problem signing up Kuechly and everyone we actually want to keep if we are smart in the FO. 

 

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