DeAngelo Williams, the BEST RB in Panthers History........

[SmootsDaddy89]

How was a "absolutely terrible running back" ? His career average including playoffs here was 4.0. Certaintly not great in any sence of the word. But Idk how you got terrible out of it

Here's how, since you can't be bothered to figure out anything on your own.

1. Three out of his first four seasons he ended up on IR. Granted, in 2005 he was nice enough to go down during the playoffs, ("lol oh playoffs, I don't need to be healthy for that.") but still.

2. He has more career fumbles than touchdowns.

3. He has never had more than 4 total touchdowns in a year.

I could go on if you'd like, but those are the highlights.

In 2003 including playoffs he managed 4.0 ypc. Not great, but decent considring he was recovering from an injury, first time playing in the regular season, and Davis having the majority of carries

Wow, he managed to be average in yards per carry in a season where we arguably had the best offensive line we've ever had, save for last year maybe. What an accomplishment!

If you want to argue we should've thrown him out or replaced him for Williams in part or because of injuries , that's another argument. But you can't say they count as mediocre seasons when he didn't even play in them. The injuries were two random injuries that happened out of bad luck not him.

Yes, I can. And yes, I will. And there were three.

Athe the point in time when you made your post all you really had to base foster on was 2006 and 2005.

Well actually just 2005 because I clearly said I made the thread after the 2005 season when we had just picked Deangelo Williams.

Foster in 2005 including playoffs he managed and 4.5 ypc.

What does it say about Foster that you have to delve into his performances in the playoffs constantly to pad his stats? No one includes Williams' stats against Arizona for 2008, because he doesn't suck ass. And Foster really only played well against Atlanta that year. That's it. Oh and the Giants, since you're so determined to bring playoffs into this because Foster is so pathetic that it becomes a necessity.

In 2006 he managed 4.0 ypc. Williams managed 4.1. ( Foster with majority carries)

So what did Williams do in that one season or foster do in those two, that would make it clear that Williams should Def be the starter coming in to 2007?

The last game against New Orleans that season really fuged Williams up, because he carried 9 times for 7 yards. Before that game he was averaging 4.5 ypc but hey sure there wasn't much difference between them. Deangelo Williams could have just stumbled out of a mental institution and he still would have been better than Deshaun.

[mr beauxjangles]

Is someone actually arguing that DeShaun Foster didn't suck, or are you guys just arguing about the degree to which he sucked, or the precise date at when said sucking reached a pinnacle?

[88 Bronco]

Is someone actually arguing that DeShaun Foster didn't suck, or are you guys just arguing about the degree to which he sucked, or the precise date at when said sucking reached a pinnacle?

Amazingly, yes

[SmootsDaddy89]

Yes, apparently DeShaun Foster took it upon himself to register an account here and defend himself. How sweet.

[MaineManPanther]

Here's how, since you can't be bothered to figure out anything on your own.

1. Three out of his first four seasons he ended up on IR. Granted, in 2005 he was nice enough to go down during the playoffs, ("lol oh playoffs, I don't need to be healthy for that.") but still.

2. He has more career fumbles than touchdowns.

3. He has never had more than 4 total touchdowns in a year.

I could go on if you'd like, but those are the highlights.

Wow, he managed to be average in yards per carry in a season where we arguably had the best offensive line we've ever had, save for last year maybe. What an accomplishment!

Yes, I can. And yes, I will. And there were three.

Well actually just 2005 because I clearly said I made the thread after the 2005 season when we had just picked Deangelo Williams.

What does it say about Foster that you have to delve into his performances in the playoffs constantly to pad his stats? No one includes Williams' stats against Arizona for 2008, because he doesn't suck ass. And Foster really only played well against Atlanta that year. That's it. Oh and the Giants, since you're so determined to bring playoffs into this because Foster is so pathetic that it becomes a necessity.

The last game against New Orleans that season really fuged Williams up, because he carried 9 times for 7 yards. Before that game he was averaging 4.5 ypc but hey sure there wasn't much difference between them. Deangelo Williams could have just stumbled out of a mental institution and he still would have been better than Deshaun.

Playoffs are actual games and extensions into the season . So of course I would include them. I'm not doing it to boost my point. But when looking at a running backs or any player for that matter and try to judge how they were, why wouldn't you add the playoff games?

As said in my previous post 2003 was decent considering the circumstances. IE coming off season ending injury, playing in in the regular season for the first time, and sharing carries.

Those injuries were random and unrelated it didn't have to do with him durabillty wise as it did on pure bad luck. I don't see how you can give injuries as one of the reason to say why he was terrible when it mostly had to do with luck. Not the type of RB is.

First off it's unreasonable to say a rookie should start ahead or predict he's better when you haven't ever seen him play in the NfL. Foster just came off a good season in the first time he ever had a chance to start. So its not out there at all to say at that time Foster shouldv'e started ahead of a rookie who never played a down in the NFL.

It would be totally insane to say Williams isn't better now looking back. Or that foster was anything better then average. I never said otherwise

My argument was that at that point in time 2005 when we just got Williams It was not stupid nonsence or "hoopla" to suggest and argue Foster should've stayed ahead. Looking back of course it looks obvious. But hindsight is 20/20

[SmootsDaddy89]

So basically your posts have gone from

"DeShaun Foster isn't a terrible back."

to

"Well his career yards per carry average isn't terrible!"

to

"Well hindsight is 20/20."

[Vagrant]

Deshaun Foster was as talented of a running back as we've had on the roster, but his injury troubles prevented him from ever hitting his ceiling. Starting with the microfracture he needed straight away and then the other injuries.... it just wasn't meant to be. His upright running style reminded me of the way Adrian Peterson runs the ball now, but the knee injury cost him a lot of speed. He was an absolute pinball out there at times and his receiving was highly underrated.

What I will say about Foster is that he provided us with some of the most exciting plays in the history of our franchise and for that, I am eternally grateful. I wish it could have worked out for him here or elsewhere, but it just wasn't in the cards.

Foster should be proud of the career he was able to manage, as he has a lot more to show for it than most 2nd round picks. Hats off, buddy.

With that said, it's obvious that DeAngelo Williams was the better back and should have gotten the bulk of the carries. DeAngelo is in a class alone in terms of running back talent in Carolina until Stewart proves he is an equal.

[88 Bronco]

If by talented you mean fumble prone then hell yeah I agree.

[Vagrant]

If by talented you mean fumble prone then hell yeah I agree.

Tiki Barber was the same way early in his career. Foster's main problem is that he didn't know when to just take the yards and get on the ground. He always wanted that extra yard and more times than not it cost him the ball. He tended to carry the ball in one arm to make cuts and didn't wrap it up on contact.... but all that doesn't matter anymore.

I just don't see the point in hating on a guy that went elsewhere after Carolina and effectively had his career end. He tried his best to make it work here and to extend his career but it didn't work out for him.

[88 Bronco]

Tiki Barber was the same way early in his career. Foster's main problem is that he didn't know when to just take the yards and get on the ground. He always wanted that extra yard and more times than not it cost him the ball. He tended to carry the ball in one arm to make cuts and didn't wrap it up on contact.... but all that doesn't matter anymore.

I just don't see the point in hating on a guy that went elsewhere after Carolina and effectively had his career end. He tried his best to make it work here and to extend his career but it didn't work out for him.

There's a difference between potential and talent.

[frash.exe]

All Foster gave us was the occasional spurt of great running surrounded by a whole lot of nothing.

I'm glad his average ass is not carrying the ball so we can see him sit there and stamp his feet behind the line because he has no vision, and, who could forget, almost always going down on first contact.

I can't believe Clinton Portis was still on the board when we drafted him.

[SmootsDaddy89]

That's really the perfect song for how I feel about Foster.

He even switches it from the promising shots to the pooty ones at the right point in the song.

[SmootsDaddy89]

[ed bell]

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I can't believe Clinton Portis was still on the board when we drafted him.

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Yet another example why draft picks aren't always as good as fans wish they were. Hindsight is 20/20. On the flipside, we now have a younger HB who seems to be capable of the the same type numbers without the wear and tear factor of over-use.