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DeAngelo Williams, the BEST RB in Panthers History........

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Actually we have no real clue how bad our o-line has been since 2003 up until last season, because Deshaun Foster is an absolutely terrible running back.

And lol @ the 2 years he sustained season-ending injuries not counting.

But yes, his 429 yards and 3.8 ypc average in 2003, almost a full yard less than what David averaged, was a great season. You really derailed my idea that Williams could/should have started over him.

How was a "absolutely terrible running back" ? His career average including playoffs here was 4.0. Certaintly not great in any sence of the word. But Idk how you got terrible out of it

In 2003 including playoffs he managed 4.0 ypc. Not great, but decent considring he was recovering from an injury, first time playing in the regular season, and Davis having the majority of carries

If you want to argue we should've thrown him out or replaced him for Williams in part or because of injuries , that's another argument. But you can't say they count as mediocre seasons when he didn't even play in them. The injuries were two random injuries that happened out of bad luck not him.

Athe the point in time when you made your post all you really had to base foster on was 2006 and 2005.

Foster in 2005 including playoffs he managed and 4.5 ypc.

In 2006 he managed 4.0 ypc. Williams managed 4.1. ( Foster with majority carries)

So what did Williams do in that one season or foster do in those two, that would make it clear that Williams should Def be the starter coming in to 2007?

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How was a "absolutely terrible running back" ? His career average including playoffs here was 4.0. Certaintly not great in any sence of the word. But Idk how you got terrible out of it

In 2003 including playoffs he managed 4.0 ypc. Not great, but decent considring he was recovering from an injury, first time playing in the regular season, and Davis having the majority of carries

If you want to argue we should've thrown him out or replaced him for Williams in part or because of injuries , that's another argument. But you can't say they count as mediocre seasons when he didn't even play in them. The injuries were two random injuries that happened out of bad luck not him.

Athe the point in time when you made your post all you really had to base foster on was 2006 and 2005.

Foster in 2005 including playoffs he managed and 4.5 ypc.

In 2006 he managed 4.0 ypc. Williams managed 4.1. ( Foster with majority carries)

So what did Williams do in that one season or foster do in those two, that would make it clear that Williams should Def be the starter coming in to 2007?

Constant BIG PLAY abiility. Williams did what he did on about 8 carries a game.

He managed to go out and break records (07 Arizona game- longest single rush in Panthers history) and constantly have big plays on very limited carries.

It was apparent enough that the coach noticed it and started phasing out Foster in the last 4 games...

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Constant BIG PLAY abiility. Williams did what he did on about 8 carries a game.

He managed to go out and break records (07 Arizona game- longest single rush in Panthers history) and constantly have big plays on very limited carries.

It was apparent enough that the coach noticed it and started phasing out Foster in the last 4 games...

I'm talking about the 2006 season. At that point in time after that season, Imo there was no reason to say Williams should def be the starter and is obviously better running back then foster.

Certiantly he showed big play abillity but that in it's self doesn't put one above the other.

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I'm talking about the 2006 season. At that point in time after that season, Imo there was no reason to say Williams should def be the starter and is obviously better running back then foster.

Certiantly he showed big play abillity but that in it's self doesn't put one above the other.

I guess their body of work speaks for itself..

Williams= nfl stud coming into his own and breaking records by the season

Foster- NFL backup.

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No offense, but as an aside just because a not so good team (or any team) cuts a guy it doesn't always mean he sux. I see that all the time, "But the _____cut him! He's useless." The Bears coming off a below average season cut Moose, does he suck?

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No offense, but as an aside just because a not so good team (or any team) cuts a guy it doesn't always mean he sux. I see that all the time, "But the _____cut him! He's useless." The Bears coming off a below average season cut Moose, does he suck?

True, unless said player is named Deshaun Foster.

And I'm not sure I'd say Moose sucks, But he's a shadow of his former self and considering the contract the bears gave him, his declining numbers and age... he was expendable.

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This could end up being similar to the "LT and Michael Turner" situation. Turner starts off as LT's backup and shows a lot of promise. LT has had a great career but is now an old RB that declined this past season. Turner goes to ATL and has a great first year and should have many more. Now SD's RB situation isn't secure for the future.

Not many talk about this but looking back, the Chargers should of kept Michael Turner. Right now, Turner > LT. If this ends up playing out anything like the SD situation, than ya gotta go with Stewart.

LT might be on the decline but I don't think he's done yet. He had a toe injury that he sustained in the Week 1 loss against us that clearly affected him all year. And that horrible year for him was still 1500 total yards and 12 TDs. And they still have Darren Sproles on the roster to spell him.

By contrast, Turner could very easily be a one year wonder, as he had nearly 400 carries last season which was about five times as many as he had in any other season. Recent history shows that guys who get that many carries in a season tend to break down and/or lose effectiveness the following year. It even showed in their playoff game against Arizona.

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No offense, but as an aside just because a not so good team (or any team) cuts a guy it doesn't always mean he sux. I see that all the time, "But the _____cut him! He's useless." The Bears coming off a below average season cut Moose, does he suck?

Most custs are made due to salary cap issues, an overstock of players at one position etc. You are right in saying that many times players are cut who still have some capacity to play. For example we have not resigned some good players due to a salary cap issue or a desire to get younger. Jason Kyle comes to mind. Other times we need to go with a draft pick or find a cheaper replacement like we did with Hangman.

Like in Moose's case we cut him to avoid a 10 million roster bonus. Chicago cuts him to save cap space. In both cases he played fairy well but it was a good move to let him go. Picking him up last year was a great deal for us as well.

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How was a "absolutely terrible running back" ? His career average including playoffs here was 4.0. Certaintly not great in any sence of the word. But Idk how you got terrible out of it

In 2003 including playoffs he managed 4.0 ypc. Not great, but decent considring he was recovering from an injury, first time playing in the regular season, and Davis having the majority of carries

If you want to argue we should've thrown him out or replaced him for Williams in part or because of injuries , that's another argument. But you can't say they count as mediocre seasons when he didn't even play in them. The injuries were two random injuries that happened out of bad luck not him.

Athe the point in time when you made your post all you really had to base foster on was 2006 and 2005.

Foster in 2005 including playoffs he managed and 4.5 ypc.

In 2006 he managed 4.0 ypc. Williams managed 4.1. ( Foster with majority carries)

So what did Williams do in that one season or foster do in those two, that would make it clear that Williams should Def be the starter coming in to 2007?

Welp we know what Deshaun Foster's username is.

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