Cam and Joe Adams posing for the camera.

[Mr. Scot]

Everything that you apparently don't understand, or don't want to acknowledge is always "silliness". 

 

You are a year or so older than I am, so some things I just shouldn't have to explain. You obviously missed the whole point again. Carry on however you want, Mr. Scot. You always do.

 

*Where is the brick wall emoticon when you need it?*

 

"Silliness" is saying "Newton is nothing like Vince Young" and getting back "you tried to say Cam is like Vince Young" as a response.

 

Anybody who can read above a third grade level can go back and look at the points I made and see just how stupid a response that is.

 

But if you wanna blame me for that, feel free :rolleyes:

[TheRed]

If he made a career decision based on what people on a message board - or fans in general - say about him, that would be embarrassing.

We're not talking about Vince Young here.

This forum, while large for a Panthers board, represents a pretty small percentage of the actual Panther fanbase.

The fans Newton deals with most frequently - the ones actually in the stadium - cheer for him loud and long.

As to negative media, he gets more of that from national guys than local ones. Nowhere you can go to escape that. But hey, if local guys do bash him, so what?

If he works well with his teammates and has success here, those things should be far bigger factors in deciding his future than what people say about him.

If Newton were to pull a Vince Young and let fan reaction affect his career, I'd lose respect for him.

Because Vince Young flaked out and let booing fans get to him. That was the start of his downfall. His career is in the toilet in large part because he didn't have the fortitude to handle the pressure.

And now you're suggesting Newton would be justified in leaving the Panthers because local media or a small percentage of the fanbase have negative opinions of him? Sorry, I think that's silly.

Letting negative fan reaction or media affect your game play or your career decisions is a sign of a pretty weak minded, thin skinned person. Add in that it's a ridiculously stupid reason to alter your career path.

That's Vince Young. I don't believe it's Newton. Newton, has in fact, been critical of Young for his behavior.

Newton's highly paid (likely soon to be more so) he's popular, plays on a team that many believe to be on the rise, and is poised to break into the NFL's elite with a solid season. A year from now the world could be his oyster.

If, in the middle of all that, he'd be pissed about what some fans or media types said about him, that'd be pretty pathetic. Why should he give an airborne rodent's buttocks about any of that in his position?

And if he leaves Charlotte, it ought to be for a much better reason than that.

That's kind of the point.

Newton is a very different guy from Vince Young.

What you're suggesting as an option - leaving the Panthers because of their fans - would mean his following in Young's footsteps and letting fans affect his play and career decisions.

I think that'd be an awful move on his part, and an uncharacteristic one at that.

I believe he's better than that.

I'd be highly disappointed to find out he wasn't.

This was your initial statement.

This was your explanation.

I question why any of those things should factor into the decision.

A player decides to say with a team or leave them based on a number of factors, the majority of them football related (team success, personal success, chemistry with teammates, etc). The off-field factors tend to be things like community, family considerations, and of course, money. All of these are things that have a real effect on a player's life. And if those things are good, then who gives a rip what some no-name fans or local reporters say?

When Cam decides where the future of his career lies, I hope it's based on important stuff like this (and for the record, I believe it will be).

Fan opinions and media coverage don't mean much compared to those factors, unless you're a whiner like Vince Young.

 

I provided your quotes above, and I listed a number of factors other than money.

He can absolutely make his own decisions based on whatever criteria he wants. My point, however, is that if he lets something as silly as "the fickle local fans who were against him being drafted (or) the local media who bash him if he sneezes too loudly" enter into his decision making process, I'd be disappointed and would lose respect for him.

That kind of thinking would put him in the same category as a thin-skinned flake like Vince Young. Is a man like that really what you'd hope for Newton to be like?

Me? Based on what I've seen of him so far, I'd like to believe Newton is infinitely better and smarter than that.

I bring up Young because he's a prime example of the kind of thinking you're suggesting.

I don't buy that Newton thinks that way, nor would I want him to.

I brought up Young because he's an example of a player who let fans get to him. Can you name a better example?

But if you're going to say it's something else, then by all means, speak up.

Yes, and let's look at how I brought it up.

So, repeated statements about why Cam Newton is not like Vince Young, all of which you respond to with this...

So tell me, how exactly do all these statements above fit in with what you're saying here?

Throw in that I'm one of the people who's been saying from the start that this whole incident was no big deal

I'd love to hear an explanation for this, if you've got one.

[TheRed]

For clarity, I’ll lay it all out in syllogistic fashion.

• Allowing something as trivial as what some fans say or what some small time local media guys say to affect their career is the kind of thing a flaky guy - like Vince Young - would do.
• Cam Newton is not a flaky guy like Vince Young.
• Therefore, for Cam Newton to make decisions in a way similar to how Vince Young would make them is a bad thing.

That's been the whole point from the beginning. And pretty much anyone can go back and see it.

Whatever it is you wanna try and portray it to be, is completely off base.

Ahhh, so based on this statement, there must somewhere in this thread be a post where I stated that Newton is like Vince Young, as opposed to saying that he is unlike Young.

Would you care to quote that post? Because frankly, if there's not one in the thread then this post is an extremely weak response (to the point of being ridiculous, honestly).

And I'd give you the same challenge I gave Red.

Find a post anywhere in this thread where I said he was like Young, as opposed to unlike him.

Wow. So lemme get this straight. Now saying "Cam is nothing like Vince Young" is somehow twisted into a negative?

So, just for my edification, who else should I not say Cam is nothing like?

Or, on the flipside, who is a "politically correct" comparison, just so I don't make this mistake again? :rolleyes:

(have we seriously gotten to this level of silliness here?)

"Silliness" is saying "Newton is nothing like Vince Young" and getting back "you tried to say Cam is like Vince Young" as a response.

Anybody who can read above a third grade level can go back and look at the points I made and see just how stupid a response that is.

But if you wanna blame me for that, feel free :rolleyes:

"Mr. Scot: Hey guys, I just want to talk football and not have discussions meaningless to this sub forum."

*Proceeds to enter thread about Cam Newton and literally mention Vince Young's name 20+ times*

"Guys, what is your problem? I'm only bringing up Vince Young to explain how different he is from Cam Newton. Even though I was the first person to bring up his name and the thread wasn't even remotely about him."

*Insert obligatory :rolleyes:*

[Chaos]

If we all stopped for a moment and thought about all of the sideline antics, arguments, pissing matches, practical jokes, etc, that took place and we never saw on a telecast, our minds just might explode. 

 

Put this into its proper perspective.

[Brooklyn Bully]

THIS thread has the most views other than "Adopt a Panther".

 

That's just sad.

 

 

[Chimera]

What's sad to me is two people who clearly have no argument and said they are leaving the thread...... have added 6 more replies after the fact.

Red, why don't you just come out and say what you're covertly accusing Mr. Scot of? I mean, he said the two aren't alike in any way and you took offense to that. What connection do you see that you seem to be projecting?

wait, sorry. you've said you're done with this thread.

Twice

[TheRed]

What's sad to me is two people who clearly have no argument and said they are leaving the thread...... have added 6 more replies after the fact.

Red, why don't you just come out and say what you're covertly accusing Mr. Scot of? I mean, he said the two aren't alike in any way and you took offense to that. What connection do you see that you seem to be projecting?

wait, sorry. you've said you're done with this thread.

Twice

Hey googoodan, I'm pretty sure Mr. Scot can handle himself.

Now run along back to the Tinderbox and lose another argument in laughable fashion like usual.

[Chimera]

Hey googoodan, I'm pretty sure Mr. Scot can handle himself.

Now run along back to the Tinderbox and lose another argument in laughable fashion like usual.

Hey look its another non-answer.

[FootballMaestro]

See guys. 

 

If/when you talk about something enough on the Huddle, it will be brought up up by the media (though usually uncredited). Lol  Just turned on WFNZ, for the first time this summer at 9:30am. 

 

Now, WFNZ is discussing the alleged Thomas Davis [Non incident] on the WFNZ morning drive, complete with drawn conclusions, speculations, angry letters, and call ins. 

 

Soon enough (if you didn't have such glowing current Cam articles, and the Panthers didn't have a quick turnaround on Thursday), the national media will pick up on this. And it will be all cause/from the Huddle (and no one here will believe it). Maybe, that's what some of you wanted. You're just adding to, the micro-scrutiny of your own QB (Hey, the media always likes a good Cam story. Speculative; manufactured or not). 

 

SMH

[JJT]

I saw them doing the posing and thought it made them look clownish and stereotypical.  It was also an inappropriate thing to do in a one-score game.

[Snake]

Suspended them 9 games I say! They should have been in there seats clapping.

[fieryprophet]

I saw them doing the posing and thought it made them look clownish and stereotypical. It was also an inappropriate thing to do in a one-score game.

What stereotype would that be? And it was a one-score meaningless game.

[bleys]

I saw them doing the posing and thought it made them look clownish and stereotypical.  It was also an inappropriate thing to do in a one-score game.

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Much like a clown, Cam was engaged with his coaches and active and involved in the game all night.