How do the GM and Head Coach work together?

[Cyberjag]

Curious to know what you all think.  Does the GM just assemble a roster, and give it to the HC to win with?  Or does the HC tell the GM who he wants?  Do they collaborate on all personnel decisions?

 

Who decides who starts, and who gets cut?  Do you think that the GM makes cuts without the Head Coach's input?  Or does the Head Coach make all of these decisions.

 

I'm kind of curious because when you read posts here, it seems like people assign responsibility and grant credit at whim to bolster whatever argument they're making at the time.  So rather than wonder where some of these arguments are coming from, I figured I would just plain ask.

[Mr. Scot]

Curious to know what you all think.  Does the GM just assemble a roster, and give it to the HC to win with?  Or does the HC tell the GM who he wants?  Do they collaborate on all personnel decisions?

 

Who decides who starts, and who gets cut?  Do you think that the GM makes cuts without the Head Coach's input?  Or does the Head Coach make all of these decisions.

 

I'm kind of curious because when you read posts here, it seems like people assign responsibility and grant credit at whim to bolster whatever argument they're making at the time.  So rather than wonder where some of these arguments are coming from, I figured I would just plain ask.

 

Going by Gettleman's own description of his job, it's kinda both.

 

The GM works with the coach to understand the system he wants to run and the type of players needed to run that system.

 

He then scouts for just such players, and when he finds a guy he likes he discusses that guy with the coach.

 

Cuts are generally left to the head coach, but he gets input from all over (assistant coaches, GM, sometimes even veteran players).

 

 

[Cary Kollins]

It's a collaborative effort but as far as personnel goes the GM has final say.

As far as starters go, that should be decided by the head coach.

[frash.exe]

Every combo on every team does it differently. Some coaches like Belichick are the final word on everything, some coaches don't even have a GM because they double as VP of football operations like Andy Reid in Philly, other executive teams have a consensus input when it comes to making personnel decisions.

Here's an old article that should help

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1541900

e. I should add that based on the article, a few points:

1. whether you're a GM (Polian), head coach (Belichick), or owner (Jerry Jones), if you've proven to be a winner, you're automatically going to be deferred to when it comes to making the big decisions. In Jerry's case though, he has no idea on how to build a winner today and should just hire a football guy to make those decisions if he wants the cowboys to even approach the echelon they were on in the early 90s.

2. Owner always can veto or make decisions. The fact that they don't necessarily do so often doesn't make them the main guy in charge but they can overrule whenever they want, because, well, they're the owner.

[iamhubby1]

Not sure how it works for the Panthers. But in my house. There is discussion, in as far as I get some input, then the GM makes the decision. (With or without my input being taken into account.) The GM makes the plan, it us up to me to implement said plan.

To be successful the Coach and GM have to work together. Decide on a plan of action, how to implement that plan, bring in players for evaluation, monitor the plan for tweaks if needed, then the Coach coaches.

The GM handles the contracts for current and incoming players. But the Coach basically has final say as to who plays.

[Mr. Scot]

Gettleman has stated that on Draft Day, final say belongs to him.

 

He's not a tyrant about it though.  He listens to what everyone has to offer.

[panther4life]

Just my opinion/thoughts on it here......

 

 

I think a successful organization has a team of personnel who work in harmony together.

 

For building via free agency the decisions are made by the GM. However these moves are not made without input and influence from his pro scouts and coaches(mainly the head coach and sometimes coordinators). In addition you have your cap guys who help decide how to ration out the contracts.

 

For the draft, the GM relies on the college scouts to provide them info and research and grades on players they have studied year round. The GM then digest this information and in a board room full of coaches and scouts they build their board to find the best fits for the roster.

 

When it comes to cuts the head coach has the biggest influence here but again the GM will have the final say. They first and 2nd waves of cuts are normally pretty painless as everyone can normally agree pretty easily.

 

The final cuts are when it gets a little more hairy. The GM must factor in Cap implications and the future into these cuts. So he may convince a head coach to cut someone he'd prefer not from a pure talent standpoint but is better for the long term of the franchise.

 

Depth Chart is where the GM has little to no say imo. This is done by the head coach with opinions and influences from his staff. (Obviously coordinators opinions are worth more than a position coaches here. I think the position coaches more less sort out the 2nd, third and 4th string here).

 

Long story short everybody has a voice on the decisions being made but at the end of the day the GM is fully responsible for the roster and the health of the salary cap.

 

 

[carolinarolls]

each franchise is a little different

each relationship has its own dynamics

the roles are not mutually exclusive.  if they were it would be clear where to place blame.  Corporate America does not agree with clear definitions insofar as blame is concerned.  It has to be fluid so you can dump it in whomever's lap is convenient.

[NotForMyHaters]

In the end- the entire team communicates.  It would be foolish to see it be a one man effort.  In the case of Dallas, even the owner Jones makes personnel decisions.  

[ed bell]

I think JR letting Hurney go and hiring Gettleman is a sign that JR is relinquishing control of personnel decisions to a certain degree.

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[top dawg]

Curious to know what you all think.  Does the GM just assemble a roster, and give it to the HC to win with?  Or does the HC tell the GM who he wants?  Do they collaborate on all personnel decisions?

 

Who decides who starts, and who gets cut?  Do you think that the GM makes cuts without the Head Coach's input?  Or does the Head Coach make all of these decisions.

 

I'm kind of curious because when you read posts here, it seems like people assign responsibility and grant credit at whim to bolster whatever argument they're making at the time.  So rather than wonder where some of these arguments are coming from, I figured I would just plain ask.

 

 Drop Joe or Johnathan a line on twitter/email or whatever, and ask them to ask G-man and/or Rivera.  They'll probably answer your question. Only then, will you truly know. 

 

If it works, I'd be interested in the answer.

[Cyberjag]

Most people so far follow my own line of thinking.  I asked the question because of a point raised in the Hurney thread about Tolbert.  Hurney went out and got him, but I doubt he made the decision capriciously and I bet he pulled the trigger because Rivera asked him to.  So when Chud or Rivera or whoever uses Cam in all those short yardage situations, he was probably thinking, "WTF did I get Tolbert for?" or something to that effect. 

 

So in my mind, the division of labor in Carolina follows these guidelines:

• GM assembles the talent with heavy input from the coaches.  At the end of the day, the GM makes the call.
• The GM pays the talent with almost no input from the coaches. 
• The coaches decide on the depth chart with almost no input from the GM.
• The coaches decide who makes the roster with input from the GM, but it's unknown how heavy that input is
• The coaches decide on the game plan with almost no input from the GM.

If that's the case, then it's small wonder that Hurney had no idea why we were losing.  It's pretty clear he was on the same page as Fox for most of their combined tenure, but not Rivera.  I'm also thinking that Gettleman may have a different style, where the inputs are higher/lower than they were with Hurney, but for the most part the same principles apply. 

 

Just my thoughts, of course.  I hope to find out for sure at some point, but it's still interesting to ponder...

[ladypanther]

 

So in my mind, the division of labor in Carolina follows these guidelines:

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• The coaches decide on the game plan with almost no input from the GM.

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Just a guess because of the situation, and experience Gettleman has.....he likely will not have input into game by game game plans, but has had input into an overall game plan strategy.

[CRA]

Curious to know what you all think. Does the GM just assemble a roster, and give it to the HC to win with? Or does the HC tell the GM who he wants? Do they collaborate on all personnel decisions?

Who decides who starts, and who gets cut? Do you think that the GM makes cuts without the Head Coach's input? Or does the Head Coach make all of these decisions.

I'm kind of curious because when you read posts here, it seems like people assign responsibility and grant credit at whim to bolster whatever argument they're making at the time. So rather than wonder where some of these arguments are coming from, I figured I would just plain ask.

I think it is murky and various club to club

Overall....GM adds and cuts the players. Coach input would be big. You want to get the type guys a coach wants to use.

Coaches staff and who plays....coaches call. GM would have input. Coach makes final calls.

IMO

People IMO assume rookie GM DG has more coaching power than I think is realistic.