Steven A. and Bayless on Cam controversy

[teeray]

Every time someone posts about Cam needing to win and compares him to Luck's record I am going to re-post my post from months

ago.

 

In order to follow this logic I would have to concede that winning games, 4th quarter comebacks, and game winning drives are all a direct parallel to the QB position.

But for sh1ts and giggles lets look at some of the games the Colts won and compare those to our Panthers and you can tell me what you think.

Minnesota: Indy won on a 53 yard field goal

Cleveland: Indy hold a 4 point lead going into the 4th quarter. Defense does not give up a single point in 4th and Indy wins by 4 points

Tennessee: Indy ties the game with 3:24 left in regulation. Colt's defense holds tie and Colts win in OT

Miami: Colts take a 3 point lead with 5:58 left in the game. Defense preserves the lead

Buffalo: Colts take a 7 point lead with 11:30 to go in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves that lead

Tennessee: Colts takes a 1 point lead with 6:23 left in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves that lead and Colts win by 4

Kansas City: Colts take 7 point lead with 4:08 to go in the 4th quarter. Defense preserves lead.



Okay. That is 7 of the 11 games that they won. Now ask yourself these questions. How many times has the Panthers defense preserved a one score lead in the 4th quarter with 3:00+ remaining? Do we have a kicker that you feel comfortable with trying a 50+ yard field goal for a win? How many more wins would Cam have if we did these things? How many more 4th quarter comebacks would Cam have if we did those things?

Our defense may have been better overall, but Indy's defense was timely. If the Colts had defensive breakdowns late in games like we did against CHI, Tampa, Dallas, KC, etc. that could be the difference between the Colts being 11-5 and Luck having a bunch of GWDs and 4QCs and the Colts being 4-12. And it was the difference in us going 7-9 instead of possibly 11-5 and Cam having more GWDs and 4QCs.

You talk about people looking at stats, but that is all you have done. You have just relied on GWD and 4th quarter comebacks, coupled those with wins and say that winning as a QB is all that matters.

4th quarter comebacks and GWDs are really great. But there is another side that can help pad those particular stats. The Colts defense did it and we had breakdowns. Simple as that.

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

This whole situation was so unnessecary I don't understand why as a GM, when we re taking so much momentum into this season, why was this statement nessecary? Why throw this wrench into our organization and bring on all this flack? As if being a starting qb in the nfl isn't enough pressure you throw this added pressure in! I have all the faith in the world in cam...I really hope he dominates this year!! And be like "hey G-Man! Gimmmeeeee myyyy Moooonnneeeeyyyy!!"

 

Because his comments were never stated the way Joe Person originally presented them, which started this whole non controversy in the first place. 

 

On top of that; people will always look for stuff (especially against certain individuals), even if it's not there, when they want to see/find it. This is all to do about nothing, except stirring the pot, and sucking in eyeballs, for certain individuals. 

 

Good points otherwise though. 

[rayzor]

People overreacting big time. Even if we have another meh year Gettleman is crazy if he thinks he's gonna be able to find another young QB better than Cam, and I think Gett. Knows that

i don't see any question in gettleman's mind about it to be honest...not from his discussion.

from reed's article

Newton's contract runs through the 2014 season and Carolina has an option to pick up another year in 2015. The Panthers would also have the option to use the franchise tag on Newton in 2016 if they haven't reached a long-term agreement prior to that point.

Gettleman said the Panthers are in no hurry to extend Newton's contract right now.

"Technically you have rights to him for six years," Gettleman said. "... I'm a big believer in letting nature take its course. Things will happen naturally."

 

there's nothing there that says they aren't intent on keeping him around, at least thru the next few years. there's no hurry to extend him because they still have him for another couple without going into franchise tag-land.

 

the time will come up to talk contract with newton at some point, but there's no sense in doing it now.

 

the sooner you do it, the sooner you'll have to do another deal.

 

what would people rather have....him get a 5 year extension after the 2013 season or after the 2015 season? for me it's simple....what ever keeps him around longer. by waiting to renew the deal, you push back the need for him to get yet another contract. i don't see how that's a problem.

 

the plan is to build around cam. period. he's their QB. i just don't see any doubt from anyone.

[TheRed]

[FootballMaestro]

Every time someone posts about Cam needing to win and compares him to Luck's record I am going to re-post my post from months

ago.

 

You speak the total truth. And I agree whole heartedly. 

 

Lucks defense, did a much better job of preserving leads than the Panthers ever did for Cam, regardless of how they were rated. This is even when, Luck had a terrible QB rating down the stretch last season. You're right. People do forget this, over look this type of stuff.  

 

Ironically; I wonder, if all these Luck/Win devotees, will be seen in 2013, if/when the Colts' have a quite probably correction/bounce down year this upcoming season?

 

I guess they'll find another metric, or statistic, then?

[PiratePanther189]

One thing I noticed a number of times that Panthers have come up on First Take is that Steven A. appears to be very knowledgeable about the Panthers, probably not a "fan" but possibly favors Carolina over other teams

[micnificent28]

One thing I noticed a number of times that Panthers have come up on First Take is that Steven A. appears to be very knowledgeable about the Panthers, probably not a "fan" but possibly favors Carolina over other teams

I think skip is even a cam fan whom i've heard praise cam ever since his first season. now before the draft is another thing all together....

[Cary Kollins]

Watching that made me feel a lot better about cancelling my cable last month.

[FootballMaestro]

One thing I noticed a number of times that Panthers have come up on First Take is that Steven A. appears to be very knowledgeable about the Panthers, probably not a "fan" but possibly favors Carolina over other teams

 

I didn't watch the segment. But that's  funny, interesting to hear

 

Historically; from my vantage point, I found both he and Skip to know nothing about the Panthers. They just pushed convenient media memes about the team and their QB. Plus, I never heard either one of them  mention the Panther coaching or GM in any discussion about the team, QB or their season. 

 

I guess they decided to do their research today (though the subject should have never been brought up). 

[PiratePanther189]

I didn't watch the segment. But that's  funny, interesting to hear

 

Historically; from my vantage point, I found both he and Skip to know nothing about the Panthers. They just pushed convenient media memes about the team and their QB. Plus, I never heard either one of them  mention the Panther coaching or GM in any discussion about the team, QB or their season. 

 

I guess they decided to do their research today (though the subject should have never been brought up). 

 

I've watched 2 specific segments, and you're right they don't talk about the Panthers much, but one being before the Thurs Night Giants game last year where Steven A. actually picked Carolina over his team the Giants, and he appeared to know what he was talking about. In this segment he talked somewhat fluently about the team.

 

Skip always takes on the same evidence about Cam. He celebrated in the end zone down 20+ on thursday night, he pouts in press conferences, he's inaccurate (which is ignorant as fug), and he had maturity issues in college. He always takes on the "I like Cam, but blah blah blah I don't really like him" deal

 

Steven A. on the other hand, I'm not going to say he's overly knowledgeable or anything, but I will say he knows more about Carolina than the average ESPN analyst. He really does like Cam, but he also really likes all superstar athletes, while Skip for the most part hates them.

 

[CPcavedweller]

Don't like either of these guys but it is good analysis and I agree with both. This is the year for Cam. No more excuses...

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/49447/video-carolina-panthers-gm-says-its-time-for-cam-newton-to-win

You live in California, I'm sure you would gladly go find another team if we don't win. There were never excuses in the first place. We don't have Julio Jones, Cordarrele Patterson, Justin Blackmon, anyone. We have a remake of moose in Lafell who is running 35 yard posts. We need more to put the blame on Cam. An aging oline and below average new guys could get him killed.

Put it on the staff, the GM, the fans, and the team. It's not all on Cam. In a side note, why on earth would you let espn influence your opinion on the Panthers or Cam newton. Bunch of trolls.

[Jackofalltrades]

Cam controversy?

 

Lol, someone is too stupid to know to automatically discount anything Person says.

[MHS831]

That first game vs. Seattle is huge.  We really need it.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Every time someone posts about Cam needing to win and compares him to Luck's record I am going to re-post my post from months

ago.

 

thank you for this.  i was tearing the board apart looking for this post.