The mistake that will come back to haunt us MKG over Barnes?

[carolina-chuck]

I'll tell you fellas what i'll do, i'll be purchasing some tickets this year, and for the few of us that actually chat about basketball, i'll get your contact info, we'll all go out to a game, on me, and we can have our debates at the games, it's much better for me, I hate technology, I love chatting with yall, but the screen gives me migraines, due to my time in combat, I just can't deal with them anymore, so ill say this, ill keep you guys posted, and we'll correspond, we'll catch a game, and have a blast.

 

Your treat? Deal.

[Jai]

Yea, i'll keep you guys posted, i'll try to arrange it for a game against Golden State.  

 

 

[YOLO!]

I'll tell you fellas what i'll do, i'll be purchasing some tickets this year, and for the few of us that actually chat about basketball, i'll get your contact info, we'll all go out to a game, on me, and we can have our debates at the games, it's much better for me, I hate technology, I love chatting with yall, but the screen gives me migraines, due to my time in combat, I just can't deal with them anymore, so ill say this, ill keep you guys posted, and we'll correspond, we'll catch a game, and have a blast.

Tickets on you?

 

You must be getting the upper level tickets lol.

 

 

If you are serious I would be down just make sure it's a game vs the Miami Heat, so we can see MKG going against the best at his position Lebron James. Maybe he can play some Scottie Pippen defense against him.

[YOLO!]

Yea, i'll keep you guys posted, i'll try to arrange it for a game against Golden State.  

Yeah that's even better MKG/Barnes head to head. Let them settle this debate on the court.

[Jai]

I agree that MKG will benefit with the addition of Mark Price, well at least I "hope" so. But lets not go over board. MKG has an ugly form, hitch, and motion with his release. It's not going to reconstruct over night. I wanted to puke seeing guys talking about how MKG already looked "better" after like 1 day of working with Price. It's going to take some time and the best we can hope for this new season is to see a little bit of changes. MKG is still going to get majority of his point scoring off the board and in the paint, not from shooting. If this developing process go well like what every fans hoped for, MKG will put it all together next year in his 3rd season.

 

His shot bothers me bc of the release point and the trajectory, he doesn't release at the height of his jump, so he gets blocked a lot, hopefully, he can figure that out.  He can create space, no problem, so once that hitch is worked out, he'll be fine.

 

I have no doubts that he can get it corrected, he's a hard worker, and he really want's it.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Chuck wants to debate with Skip Bayless.

And YOLO! I never said MKG is Pippen...but compare PIppens rookie season with MKG.

I posted Pippens career stat avgs in an earlier post. MKG exceeded Pippens rookie year to rookie year.

I am old enough to remember when struggle with shooting and was getting yelled at by Jordan early in his career bc he could not shoot. Then he started getting a bank shot and to the point where he could extend comfortabally to the three point line.

It was at least a three-four year process for him.

As far as Barnes to Sean Elliot..Elliot was a much more developed guy his early seasons...

My Danny Green comparison was to calm Chuck's proclaimation that Barnes was Paul Pierce.

At this point Barnes is comprable to Danny Green in what he produces on the court. Yes Barnes will be better...but at this time...he is a similar player. 9-10 points a game 4 rebounds 43-45% from the field.

[carolina-chuck]

Just watch, my man.

 

The kid's only 20, just keep watching the show.

 

I'll say, Barnes had a better rookie season, but with MKG, it's the long term potential, now if he doesn't progress, this is all for nothing.

 

Spare your history lessons tho, fam.  I've played the game for 20 years, coached for 5, played at every level except NBA, and that's due to injuries I sustained in combat.  It's not much you going to teach me.

 

I agree.

 

The kid is still so young with so much to prove, but its a long term potential. He has to put it together. If he doesnt is "all for nothing" like you said. But, the potential for him to put it all together is just as much as the potential he wont put it all together. Its scary as a fan to watch and think about it.

 

I guess I might just be thinking too much and a little biased with what I've seen from him out of Summer League. Bc being a no.2 overall pick he should be killing these no name guys which he didnt. He showed more last year in SL than this year.

[Jai]

We'll work out the details, and nah, I can't do the upper level, bro.  I used to take my kids all the time, before I got divorced, we used to sit right behind the players wives!  I'll hook it up, I have absolutely nothing to do anymore, they fully retiring me, no wife, no kids, just me.

[carolina-chuck]

Yea, i'll keep you guys posted, i'll try to arrange it for a game against Golden State.  

 

that would be GREAT

[Jai]

I remember Jordan asking Pippen in post games, if he was sick, and pointing to his stat line, Jordan used to hound his ass, he hounded everyones ass.

[Jai]

Point, blank, period though, its to early to tell, wait till MKG is around 23, 24 years old, then compare.

[carolina-chuck]

Chuck wants to debate with Skip Bayless.

And YOLO! I never said MKG is Pippen...but compare PIppens rookie season with MKG.

I am old enough to remember when struggle with shooting and was getting yelled at by Jordan early in his career bc he could not shoot. Then he started getting a bank shot and to the point where he could extend comfortabally to the three point line.

It was at least a three-four year process for him.

As far as Barnes to Sean Elliot..Elliot was a much more developed guy his early seasons...

My Danny Green comparison was to calm Chuck's proclaimation that Barnes was Paul Pierce.

At this point Barnes is comprable to Danny Green in what he produces on the court. Yes Barnes will be better...but at this time...he is a similar player. 9-10 points a game 4 rebounds 43-45% from the field.

 

Ninja, you gotta be just STUPID if you really believe that Green is on the same level as Barnes.

 

 

 

[carolina-chuck]

Point, blank, period though, its to early to tell, wait till MKG is around 23, 24 years old, then compare.

 

Jai, you seem like you know some real basketball other than a bunch of died hard cats fans like myself, ninja, and kat. So, I would like to ask you that with what you have seen from Barnes and Green, can we even 'compare' the two on the same level??? Imo, it's ridiculous and insane to compare Barnes with Green when Barnes is clearly a much better player in all areas except probably behind the 3 point range.

[Jai]

Jai, you seem like you know some real basketball other than a bunch of died hard cats fans like myself, ninja, and kat. So, I would like to ask you that with what you have seen from Barnes and Green, can we even 'compare' the two on the same level??? Imo, it's ridiculous and insane to compare Barnes with Green when Barnes is clearly a much better player in all areas except probably behind the 3 point range.

 

Green isn't a bad player, at all.  Barnes has higher ceiling, but you also have to take into account the TEAM around these individual players. Green has an advantage that Barnes doesn't, he has a big that demands a double, so the spacing, ball movement, and they play some selfless basketball, for a basketball purist, watching the spurs is like watching poetry in motion.  Comparing skill sets though, Barnes is a better athlete, he already has the mid-range game that is a lost art in the game.  The 1-2 dribble pull up, Barnes has all that.   Green is blessed to play in that system, just like Barnes is blessed to be the 3rd option on his team.  Ceiling wise, Barnes takes the nod, but as of today, it's a wash with those two guys, they have similar roles, at this point in their careers.  Green did absolutely nothing with his first  few stints in the league, where as, I feel like Barnes would've stuck with those same opportunities.

 

Potential - Barnes